UPDATE look up for JO done! .....Henry Rudge

[grangers14]

This is a spin off from the Fanny Unknown thread, Married to Joseph Florence/Rudge
It is a possible that Josephs Mother is Sophia Florence with Henry Rudge in 1871 census, that marriage is down for look up.
There is a Henry Rudge on BCC, could this be the one with Sophia?
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =389421917

This is him with Sophia
kdw wrote:
1871 Islington Halesowen
Henry Rudge Head 36 Nail Factor
Sophia Rudge Wife 36 Nail Mkaer
Joseph Florence Step son 16 Nail Maker
Thomas Florence Step son 11 Scholar
Sophia Florence Step Daur. 8 Scholar
Henry Florence Step Son 6 Scholar
All born Halesowen

[grangers14]

Possible
1861 Census
Islington Street, Halesowen
Charles Rudge, head, 58, Nailer
Sarah, wife, 54, Nailer
Charles, son, 21, Nailer
Thomas, son, 19, Nailer
James, son, 13, Nailer
Edward, son, 11, Nailer
Martha, daur, 17, Nailer
Sarah, daur, Nailer
Edward Shivlock, Boarder, 5
All born Halesowen

No Henry in this lot

[Northern Lass]

I think that is him Jo
we have him on bcc with father Charles
but cant get on at mo

[Jimmy]

HENRY RUDGE.
SOPHIA FLORENCE.
Marriage, 05 JUL 1869, Halesowen, Worcester.
Husband Age at Marriage: 30.
Wife Age at Marriage: 37.

[Northern Lass]

Jo connect him or I will and we can confirm by look up
it is him it all fits

1851 Islington, Halesowen

Charles Rudge 47
Sarah Rudge 42
Joseph Rudge 19
Henry Rudge 17
Eber Rudge 16
Elizabeth Rudge 15 - House servant
Charles Rudge 10
Thomas Rudge 9
Martha Rudge 7
Sarah Rudge 6
James Rudge 3
Edward Rudge 1

Nailmakers, all b Halesowen


ok that marriage is out on age but census /area/occup ....and connections to the others all fits

[Jimmy]

1881.
Henry RUDGE. Head. M. Male. 48. Halesowen, Worcester, Nail Factor.
Sophia RUDGE. Wife. M. Female. 50. Halesowen, Worcester, Grocer.
Maria RUDGE. Daur. U. Female. 23. Halesowen, Worcester, Nailer.
Thomas RUDGE. Son. U. Male. 20. Halesowen, Worcester, Nailer.
Sophia RUDGE. Daur. U. Female. 18. Halesowen, Worcester, Nailer.
Harry RUDGE. Son. U. Male. 16. Halesowen, Worcester, Nailer.

Birmingham St.
Halesowen, Worcester.

[Jimmy]

SOPHIA FLORENCE.
Christening: 20 JAN 1835. Halesowen, Worcester
Parents:
JAMES FLORENCE.
MARIA.

JAMES FLORANCE.
MARIA HILL.
Marriage, 02 SEP 1813. Halesowen, Worcester.

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SOPHIA FLORENCE.
Christening, 10 MAR 1869, Halesowen, Worcester.

Mother: SOPHIA FLORENCE.

[Jimmy]

Other children for James Florence and Maria.

JAMES FLORANCE.
Christening: 26 DEC 1813. Halesowen, Worcester.

MARY ANN FLORANCE.
Christening: 25 DEC 1818. Halesowen, Worcester.

JOSEPH FLORENCE.
Christening, 26 MAR 1826. Halesowen, Worcester.

PHOEBE FLORENCE.
Christening, 26 MAR 1826. Halesowen, Worcester.

MIRA FLORENCE.
Christening, 01 FEB 1829. Halesowen, Worcester.

EMMA FLORENCE.
Christening, 13 FEB 1831. Halesowen, Worcester.
Death, 11 APR 1832.

JOSEPH FLORENCE.
Christening, 26 AUG 1832, Halesowen, Worcester.

[grangers14]

I have joined, just adding children and census
1891 Census
Birmingham Street, Halesowen
Joseph Turner, head, 38, Iron Moulder, Dudley
Sophia, wife, 29, Nailer
Annie, Niece, 7,
Hnery Rudge, Father in Law, 58, Nailer
Sophia, Mother in Law, 60, Nailer
Harry, Nephew, 16, Nailer
All others born Haleowen

[Jimmy]

JOSEPH FLORENCE.
Christening, 18 JUL 1855. Halesowen, Worcester

Mother: SOPHIA FLORENCE.

[grangers14]

Henry,
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =958129588

Sophia,
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =829283497

Some more census on for Charles,
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =986406165

1871 Census
Islington, Halesowen
Charles Rudge, head, 59, Nail maker
Sarah, wife, 62, Nail Maker
James, son, 24, Nail Maker
James Basterfield, Lodger, 21, Masons Lab

[Northern Lass]

We can connect up Sophia and Mary ann to father James
based on bapts

we can add those bapts that Kdw found

so sophias name and marriage detail can go in too
and will be conf by marriage

but it works and looks correct to me

[Northern Lass]

Possible
1861 Census
Islington Street, Halesowen
Charles Rudge, head, 58, Nailer
Sarah, wife, 54, Nailer
Charles, son, 21, Nailer
Thomas, son, 19, Nailer
James, son, 13, Nailer
Edward, son, 11, Nailer
Martha, daur, 17, Nailer
Sarah, daur, Nailer
Edward Shivlock, Boarder, 5
All born Halesowen

No Henry in this lot

where is he in 1861
he is with parents in 1851
and 1871 married to Sophia...marriage in 1869
so are all those kids his?

Joseph Florence marries as Florence but uses Rudge on a census
and Sophia marries as Florence Rudge

Joseph is born earlier 1854 others later

[Northern Lass]

STOP PRESS .....look up done on Henry Rudge and Sophia Florence....as follows...

Look up for Jo....as requested.

Q is father to Henry a Charles if so he is on bcc already
is father for Sophia a James if so she is sister to Mary ann and on bcc (that is mary ann is)
and is sophia a wid or spinster
West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1869
RUDGE * Henry FLORANCE Sophia Halesowen, St John the Baptist Dudley Register Office 014/003/378
RUDGE * Henry FLORENCE Sophia Halesowen, St John the Baptist Dudley Register Office 014/003/378


info by Kdw....based somewhere in the UK....microfiche data....

Marriage info<br>
5 July 1869 St John Halesowen<br>
Henry Rudge X - 30- bach- nailer- Boro- Charles Rudge- nailer<br>
Sophia Florence X - 27- spinster- nailer - Boro- James Florence- labourer<br>
banns<br>
Wit- Edward Jones / Ellen Jones X


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[Northern Lass]

this one is now Completed with huge thanks