*Arc tbc* --*Doug Look Up Done* Charlotte Bartlam

[Pudsey to Howard]

Hi

Have Joseph Dimmock [born circa 1802] on the 1851 census with his second wife Ann and 4 of his kids from his first marriage [Mercy, Betsy, Ann & Lucy].

In 1841, on ancestry, there's a Joseph Dunnock with his wife Charlotte & 6 ids [including Mercy, Betsy, Ann & Louisa].

The IGI has a submitted entry for a marriage of Joseph Dimmock & Charlotte Bartram: 25th December 1823 Kingswinford, Stafford, England.

Seems to fit with me but, before I put it on BCC, I wanted to know what's the opinion out there on submitted instead of extracted?

Doug

[Northern Lass]

Ok re submitted anything that is entered on BCC we need to be able to verify.
And in my book submitted is not a fact!
It may turn out to be good info but until actually verified via look up etc you cant add it in the boxes only
in the notes as a possible and add it is submitted info.

So any submitted ones always verify via certif or look up or only enter in notes
dont take as fact certainly not on the BCC tree
remember it is just what someone has entered, how do we actually know it is in the PR, how do we know their research is good?

so if you want to add for look ups please do



ps I may well add something to the homepage just to remind everyone that joins this fact too

[Pudsey to Howard]

Hi

I'll put the marriage in the lookups.

Doug

[dianel]

Doug, that 1841 census looks like 'Dimmock' to me on the image, and did you notice that 2 entries earlier there is:
Samuel Dimmock 27 Coal Miner
Elizabeth Dimmock 30
Benjamin Dimmock 4
Joseph Dimmock 1
Sarah Hughs 60

There is also this death:
England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915 about Charlotte Dimmock
Year of Registration: 1843
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Dudley (To 1912)
County: Staffordshire, Worcestershire

[dianel]

Some more clues, maybe:
An Ancestry tree ('Fletcher Family Tree' Owner: michealfletcher1)
has:
Joseph Dimmock
Birth 1802 Dudley, Worcestershire

Spouse 1.
Charlotte Bartlam 1806 - 1843
Marriage: 25 Dec 1823, Kingswinford, Staffordshire

Children:
Thomas Dimmock 1824 -
Mary Ann Dimmock 1833 -
Mercy Dimmock 1836 -
Betsey Dimmock 1838 -
Louisa Dimmock 1838 -
Ann Dimmock 1840 -

Spouse 2.
Ann Southall 1796 - 1862

All needs confirming, but on the 1851 census, there is a Mary A Dimmock 18 ( born 1833) boarding 3 doors away from Joseph & Ann. This could be Joseph & Charlotte's eldest daughter (see above).

1861 census
At Mushroom, Dudley
George Rowley Head 34 Miner b. Shrops., Bridgenorth
Mary Ann Rowley Wife 29 Chain Maker b. Durham, Sandgate
Mary Ann Rowley Daur 8 Scholar b. Worcs., Dudley
Clara Rowley Daur 5 Scholar b. Worcs., Dudley
Joseph Rowley Son 3 Scholar b. Worcs., Dudley
Joseph Dimmock Lodger Marr 60 Miner b. Worcs., Dudley
Ann Dimmock wife Marr 66 Miner's Wife b. Worcs., Dudley
Joseph Dimmock Grandson 10 Miner b. Worcs., Dudley

Free BMD, Marriages:
Mary Ann Dimmock 1853 Dudley (To 1912) Staffordshire, Worcestershire
Susanna Lowns 1853 Dudley (To 1912) Staffordshire, Worcestershire
George Rowley 1853 Dudley (To 1912) Staffordshire, Worcestershire
Emanuel Walters 1853 Dudley (To 1912) Staffordshire, Worcestershire

[Pudsey to Howard]

Hi

The Samuel living a couple of doors down is, probably, Joseph's brother Samuel [born circa 1812] & his second wife Elizabeth [nee Hughes].

Doug

[dianel]

Another Ancestry tree (John poulter Family Tree Owner: GaryDavis55)
suggests that Ann Southall (maiden name) was previously married to a Daniel Fudge:

Ann Fudge
Birth 1796 Tipton, Staffordshire, , England
Death 1862 Cradley, Worcestershire, , England

Parents:
William SOUTHALL 1770 - 1828
Susannah Westwood 1776 - 1824

Spouse 1.
Daniel Fudge 1791 - 1842
Marriage: 24 Aug 1817 Tipton, Staffordshire, England
Age: 21
Children:
Hannah Fudge 1818 - 1879
Henry William Fudge
1820 - William Fudge 1822 -
Abraham Fudge 1823 - 1825
Sampson Fudge 1825 - 1849
Abraham Fudge 1828 -
Betsey Fudge 1831 - 1908
Ann Fudge 1834 -

Marriage to Joseph Dimmock
15 Jun 1844 Dudley, Worcestershire, England
Age: 48

[dianel]

Daniel Fudge & Ann:
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... &pid=45642

(Thought that name sounded familiar, Doug. )

[dianel]

William Southall & Susannah Westwood:
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tribe/browse?userid=bcconnections&view=0&rand=460246376&pid=680

[dianel]

1841
At Constitution Hill, Dudley
Danl Fudge 50 Stone Miner not born in county
Ann Fudge 45 born in county (b. 1796)
Sampson Fudge 15 Stone Miner born in county
Betsy Fudge 10 born in county

I'll add this census to BCC.

[dianel]

Free BMD Marriages:
Mabel Darby 1844 Dudley (To 1912) Staffordshire, Worcestershire
Samuel Deeley 1844 Dudley (To 1912) Staffordshire, Worcestershire
Joseph Dimmock 1844 Dudley (To 1912) Staffordshire, Worcestershire
Ann Fudge 1844 Dudley (To 1912) Staffordshire, Worcestershire
Ann Horton 1844 Dudley (To 1912) Staffordshire, Worcestershire
Mary Ann Horton 1844 Dudley (To 1912) Staffordshire, Worcestershire
John Mullett 1844 Dudley (To 1912) Staffordshire, Worcestershire
Benjamin Williams 1844 Dudley (To 1912) Staffordshire, Worcestershire

[Northern Lass]

William Southall & Susannah Westwood:
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tribe/browse?userid=bcconnections&view=0&rand=460246376&pid=680

We don't have an ann southall for these 2
did they have an ann?

I will add this marriage to list
1844
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
FUDGE Ann DIMMOCK Joseph Dudley, St Thomas Dudley Register Office 204/005/479

[linell]

Hi NL, definitely does not belong to Wm and Susannah, they had an Hannah, but she Married John Worton.

Linell.

[linell]

The Ancestry tree has:-

Spouse 2.
Ann Southall 1796 - 1862

That is my Hannah's dates, my Gt Gt Grandmother, definitely got the wrong name there, some people put anyone in their tree

Linell.

[Northern Lass]

I have added that marriage for Look up
so it shouldnt say William
cos they didnt have Ann only Hannah?