*Arc pend look ups* --Samuel Mucklow and Maria Smart

[mumbles]

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... #moreinfo_
KDW and San have added a lot of info on Mucklow Family and I have now found connections to Woolvin and Hobbs family as Thomas Mucklow born 1852 married ( 2nd time ) to Sarah Leonard. Sarah was a widow of Albert Woolvin who connects to Hobbs and other families on bcc.
Problem:-
on 1861 Census Thomas and James Mucklow are shown as grandchildren of Samuel Mucklow and Maria Smart but on all Ancestry Trees are shown as children of Samuel and Maria ( Wrong I think)
1871 Census Long Lane Cakemore Worcs.
Samuel Mucklow Head 68 Nail Maker born Cakemore Worcs.
Meria Mucklow wife 66
Thomas Mucklow grd.son 19 Rivet Maker
James Mucklow grd.son 16 Nail Maker
Albert Mucklow grd.son 7
Rest born Halesowen Worcs.
Thomas married twice ist to Sarah Ann Foster at St.Thomas Dudley in 1874
and then to Sarah Mucklow (nee Leonard) in 1898

I do not want to make all connections until I find out who parents of Thomas and James were

[Northern Lass]

So on both census Thomas and James are shown as G. children

1861 Long Lane Cakemore

Samuel Mucklow Head 58 Nail Maker
Maria Mucklow Wife 57 Nail Maker
Philena Mucklow Daur. 27 Nail Maker
Maria Mucklow Daur. 19 Nail Maker
Myra Mucklow Daur. 13 Nail Maker
Thomas Mucklow GrandSon 9
James Mucklow Grandson 7
All born Halesowen


we could do with adding the 1871 to Samuels notes if anyone can please

we can look marriages up if you add them mumbles
are they on wmbsgh so we get an entry no?

wot happened to James?

any bapt for this couple?

[Maths girl]

So on both census Thomas and James are shown as G. children

1861 Long Lane Cakemore

Samuel Mucklow Head 58 Nail Maker
Maria Mucklow Wife 57 Nail Maker
Philena Mucklow Daur. 27 Nail Maker
Maria Mucklow Daur. 19 Nail Maker
Myra Mucklow Daur. 13 Nail Maker
Thomas Mucklow GrandSon 9
James Mucklow Grandson 7
All born Halesowen

1851 Long Lane Cakemore
Samuel Mucklow 48 Nail Forger
Meria Mucklow 46 Nail Forger
Ely Mucklow 23 Nail Forger
Salley Mucklow 19 Nail Forger
Samuel Mucklow 16 Nail Forger
Philena Mucklow 17 Nail Forger
Amelia Mucklow 14 Nail Forger
Maria Mucklow 9
Nira Mucklow 3
Pheobe Mucklow 1

All born Halesowen

Given age of Thomas my guess would be child of Ely! Unless there is an older son already married

[mallosa]

Just in case you think you are going mad - I noticed that I had the 1901 Census under Sarah Jane Poole, I have now put it under John Clift (cos he was head of the family)

...here's the link

[Maths girl]

1851 Long Lane Cakemore
Samuel Mucklow 48 Nail Forger
Meria Mucklow 46 Nail Forger
Ely Mucklow 23 Nail Forger
Salley Mucklow 19 Nail Forger
Samuel Mucklow 16 Nail Forger
Philena Mucklow 17 Nail Forger
Amelia Mucklow 14 Nail Forger
Maria Mucklow 9
Nira Mucklow 3
Pheobe Mucklow 1

All born Halesowen

Given age of Thomas my guess would be child of Ely! Unless there is an older son already married

1841 Long Lane Cakemore
Saml Mucklow 35 Nail M
Maria Mucklow 35 Nail M
Betty Mucklow 15 Nail M
Eli Mucklow 10 Nail M
Phylena Mucklow 10 Nail M
Sarrah Mucklow 5
Samuel Mucklow 8
Ruth Mucklow 4
Jane Mucklow 1

[grangers14]

1881 Census
33, London Street, Harborne
Eli Mucklow, head, 54, Rivet Maker
Ann, wife, 50,
Joseph, son, 19, Rivet Maker,
William, son, 17, ?
James (?) Hardy, lodger, 25, Labourer, Birmingham(?)
All others born Halesowen

[Northern Lass]

any births regis for James and Thomas?

[grangers14]

Looks like Eli married Ann Reed 1857, Stourbridge

[grangers14]

1861 Census
New Road, Hill
Eli Mucklow, head, 34, Rivet Maker, Hill
Ann, wife, 30, Nail maker, Ridacre

[grangers14]

This is a possible for thomas
1881 Census,
Longlane, The Hill,
Thomas Mucklow, head, 30, Rivet Maker,
Sarah A, wife, 29, Rivet Maker, Rowley
Mary M(?), daur, 6, Rowley
Phoebe, daur, 3,
Samuel, son, 4 months
All others born Halesowen

Possible
marriage 1874
MUCKLOW Thomas FOSTER Sarah A Dudley, St Thomas Dudley Register Office 204/032/84

[Maths girl]

So on both census Thomas and James are shown as G. children

1861 Long Lane Cakemore

Samuel Mucklow Head 58 Nail Maker
Maria Mucklow Wife 57 Nail Maker
Philena Mucklow Daur. 27 Nail Maker
Maria Mucklow Daur. 19 Nail Maker
Myra Mucklow Daur. 13 Nail Maker
Thomas Mucklow GrandSon 9
James Mucklow Grandson 7
All born Halesowen

It is always possible of course that they were the sons of Philena and later adopted as "sons" of the family!

[kdw]

Just noticed i havent added Mira Mucklow to BCC, i wonder if the transcription is wrong on the 1851 as Mira is age 1 and Maria age 9

1851 Long Lane Cakemore
Samuel Mucklow Head 48 Nail Forger
Meria Mucklow Wife 46 Nail Forger
Ely Mucklow Son 23 Nail Forger
Salley Mucklow Daur. 19 Nail Forger
Samuel Mucklow Son 16 Nail Forger
Philena Mucklow Daur. 17 Nail Forger
Amelia Mucklow Daur. 14 Nail Forger
Maria Mucklow Daur. 9
Nira Mucklow Daur. 3 (Mira)
Pheobe Mucklow Daur. 1
All Born Halesowen

Births Sep 1841 Mucklow Mira Stourbridge 18 397

Births Jun 1847 Mucklow Maria Stourbridge 18 440

[mumbles]

Two marriages are:-
Possible
marriage 1874
MUCKLOW Thomas FOSTER Sarah A Dudley, St Thomas Dudley Register Office 204/032/84
Other marriage not on West Midland but found
Married Stourbridge Dec 1896 Sarah Woolvin and Thomas Mucklow vol.8c page 307

I think James and Thomas were sons of one of daughters

[kdw]

Possible births
Births Mar 1852
Mucklow Thomas Stourbridge 6c 150

Births Jun 1854
MUCKLOW James Eli Stourbridge 6c 160

Births Sep 1863
MUCKLOW Albert Stourbridge 6c 148

[mumbles]

Sarah Mucklow disappears after 1851 Census and a Sarah Mucklow died in Halesowen in 1857 so it is possible Sarah was mother of Thomas born 1852 and James born 1855 .
Other daughter of right age went on to marry a Thomas Bennett in 1864 and they had no children
Betty Mucklow born 1826 is other candidate