*Arc tbc* --Hello from New Zealand- Palethorpes enquiry

[PamW]

I am a bit of a learner on these forums so hope I get it right.

My sister & I are searching our family history and I am piecing together our Palethorpe ancestry.

We are descendants of Charles Palethorpe, his son Frank Howard Palethorpe snr and his son Frank Howard. Younger Frank Howard (called Howard)came to New Zealand in 1927 (about) - he is my grandfather- legend has it to start the Palethorpe sausage business here. None of the family have ever returned to England. Howards sister Gwladys also lived in New Zealand. Her father was a Davies - Linked tothe Broken Hill Mining in Australia.

I have ben looking at this website and have found it to be very good to trace the family. I am a bit puzzled as Charles does not seem to fit in to any of the family - there is a Charles Henry but that is not him. Charles (born about 1826) has been placed in some trees as a son of Thomas PAlethorpe - but the none of the census records put him in this family. I feel that he may be Henry Palethorpe's (who started the Palethorpe business) cousin rather than a brother .

Any ideas?

Pam

[Maths girl]

Hi Pam

Welcome to the site -I am a novice too on these sites -

I know we were discussing the Palethorpes recently - and so when the experts wake up I am sure they will be diving in!

They may move the question to a different thread so it gets more attention but I know they will let you know where it has gone.

Happy Hunting

Maths girl

[Maths girl]

Got to go to work but this family looks like a hopeful one to trace back!

1901 King Norton
Frank H Palethorpe 37
Margaret W Palethorpe 40
Eleanor G Palethorpe 14
Blodwen M Palethorpe 12
Marion W Palethorpe 3
Frank W Palethorpe 6 months

1881
Charles Palethorpe 56
Mary A. Palethorpe 53
Frank H. Palethorpe 17
Elizabeth Cox 22
Edwin Palethorpe 17

[PamW]

Thanks -that is the family. Eleanor G was my Aunty Gwladys who lived in NZ too. Frank W was Frank Howard. I am stuck on tracing back Charles.

[Northern Lass]

Hi Pam glad you made it I am going to move this to the Black Country Genealogy forum for discussion
you will find that just down the main board...scroll down

[Northern Lass]

Ok think Pete entered this lot..

Question...Pete how do we know that Thomas is the father of Charles here
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =536566088

did you find a bapt?
is there a marriage for Charles?

Pam do you not have the marriage for Charles and Mary ann?
Marriages Sep 1849.
Cooper Mary Ann. Warwick. 16. 654.

Palethorpe Charles. Warwick. 16. 654.

[gardener]

Who is he with in 1841... Charles Pailthorp in Warwickshire b 1826 ?

[peterd]

Ok think Pete entered this lot..

Question...Pete how do we know that Thomas is the father of Charles here
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =536566088

did you find a bapt?
is there a marriage for Charles?

Pam do you not have the marriage for Charles and Mary ann?
Marriages Sep 1849.
Cooper Mary Ann. Warwick. 16. 654.

Palethorpe Charles. Warwick. 16. 654.

hi pam and welcome

if you read the notes at the bottom of census, is says why i included charles as a brother to henry

although charles is not with the rest of the family in 1841 i have linked him in due to edwin being his nephew and son of henry (see 1881 census)

[peterd]

edwin

1891Gorse Bank ? Bromsgrove

Edwin Palethorpe 27 Lithtographer printer, Birmingham, Warwickshire
Sarah A Palethorpe 25 Hawdsworth, Staffordshire
Lilla Tolley 20 servant

marriage

Marriages Sep 1889
PALETHORPE Edwin King's N. 6c 604
PAYTON Sarah Ann King's N. 6c 604

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1901 Hewell rd, Gorse Bank ? Bromsgrove

Edwin Palethorpe 37 Printer, birmingham
Annie Palethorpe 35 Birmingham
Donald Palethorpe 8 Bromsgrove
Winifred Palethorpe 6 Bromsgrove
Annie Dolphin 20 servant cook
Elizabeth Dolphin 24 servant

[peterd]

also had this for charles but couldnt prove it so didnt enter it on bcc

This could be Charles (who married Mary Ann Cooper on 8 Sep 1849 at Leamington Priors Warwickshire at the age of 23) in 1841,
At Wellington St., Leamington Priors in the household of Abraham Collins (a Grocer) and his wife, Susannah, as a servant:
Charles Pailthorp 15 M. S. born in county

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THOMAS PALETHORP
ELIZABETH WESTON
Marriage: 25 MAY 1818 Saint Martin, Birmingham, Warwick


this is proberly the marriage for thomas and elizabeth there is some surgestion this is his second wife

and this is his first wife (submitted)

Thomas Palethorp
Birth: 1785 Of Teachbrook, , Warwick, England

Spouse: Hannah Latham
Marriage: 03 JAN 1808 <Of Teachbrook, , Warwick,


if so this could be his kids from his first marriage

THOMAS PALETHORPE
Christening: 24 MAR 1814 Bishops Tachbrook, Warwick,

ANN PALETHORPE
Christening: 10 MAR 1813 Bishops Tachbrook, Warwick,

[peterd]

if this is ann marriage. thomas daughter from his first marriage, it would put charles in the same area in 1841 as his half sister ?

ANN PALETHORPE

Father: THOMAS PALETHORPE

Spouse: FRANCIS PERKIN
Marriage: 12 APR 1841 Leamington Priors, Warwick,



1851 Vincent st, St mary, Leamington Priors, Warwick

Francis Perkin 39 Servant, Hopton, Staffordshire
Ann Perkin 38 Co Town, Warwickshire
Thomas Perkin 8 Leamington
William Perkin 5 Leamington
James Perkin 4 Leamington
James Perkin 2 Leamington


two james on image both down as son ? ann born about 1813 so is this charles half sister ?

[PamW]

Ok think Pete entered this lot..

Question...Pete how do we know that Thomas is the father of Charles here
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =536566088

did you find a bapt?
is there a marriage for Charles?

Pam do you not have the marriage for Charles and Mary ann?
Marriages Sep 1849.
Cooper Mary Ann. Warwick. 16. 654.

Palethorpe Charles. Warwick. 16. 654.

hi pam and welcome

if you read the notes at the bottom of census, is says why i included charles as a brother to henry

although charles is not with the rest of the family in 1841 i have linked him in due to edwin being his nephew and son of henry (see 1881 census)

Thanks Peter. Thomas and Elizabeth had a son William born about 1826 . Charles does not show up on any census records of the Thomas/Elizabeth family. How would I be best to try to obtain Charles birth records?

I ahev quite alot of the family tree drawn up = partly from your BCC website and other records. Sometimes hard to verify and is good when you get 2 sources which cinfirm.

Regards
Pam

[PamW]

also had this for charles but couldnt prove it so didnt enter it on bcc

This could be Charles (who married Mary Ann Cooper on 8 Sep 1849 at Leamington Priors Warwickshire at the age of 23) in 1841,
At Wellington St., Leamington Priors in the household of Abraham Collins (a Grocer) and his wife, Susannah, as a servant:
Charles Pailthorp 15 M. S. born in county

Pete - this looks promising - will investigate further

Pam