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UPDATE look up for Mally done! ---Emily Rollason b1857

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Here she is ...here

Marriage 1878
ROLLASON Emily SIMCOX Hezekiah West Bromwich, St Peter 29/1/403

1881: 53 Lyndon, West Bromwich
Ann Rollason 66 Head Wid [u]Dudley, Worc[/u]
Ellen Rollason 29 Dau U Nailer
Frederick Rollason 18 Gr.Son U Lab in Iron Works
Deborah Rollason 2 Gr. Dau?
Hezekiah Simcox 28 Son in Law M Sawyer
Emily Simcox 24 Dau M
Fanny Simcox 1 Gr.Dau
John Simcox Gr.Son 1mth
(others born West Bromwich)

1891: 41 Sams Lane, West Bromwich
Hezekiah Simcox 38 Head Wood Sawyer
Emily Simcox 34 Wife
Fanny Simcox 11 Dau
John Simcox 9 Son
Ann L Simcox 6 Dau
Ernest W Simcox 4 Son
Hezekiah Simcox 6mths Son
(all born West Bromwich)

1901: 180 Saint Pauls Road, Smethwick, Staffs
Heyickiah Simcox 48 Head Wood Turner
Emily Simcox 44 Wife
Fanny Simcox 21 Dau S Screw/Bolt ?
John Simcox 20 Son S Gen Lab
Lydia A Simcox 16 Dau Tube ?
Ernest W Simcox 14 Son Tube ?
Elizebath Simcox 10 Dau
Edna D Simcox 3 Dau Smethwick, Staffs
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Here she is pre marriage..

1871: Lyndon, West Bromwich
Isaac Rolason 54 Head Nailer Blind about 20 yrs
Ann Rolason 54 Wife
Ellen Rolason 20 Dau U
Joseph Rolason 16 Son Forgeman
Emily Rolason 14 Dau Nailer
Frederick Rolason 9 Son
Isaiah Lucock 27 Son in Law M Forgeman...........Marriage 1866: LUCCOCK Isaiah ROLLASON Mary West Bromwich, All Saints 22/11/298
Mary Lucock 30 Dau M Nailer
Isaac Lucock 1 Gr.Son
Elizabeth Lucock 2 months Gr.Dau
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I notice that Emily's parents married in 1845 and her fathers marital status was given as Widower

This must be his 1st marriage .......see 1841 and 1851 Census here

Marriage 1840
ROWLESON Isaac HITCHINS Ann Tipton, St Martin (Pepper Box) 39/1/471
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mallosa wrote:I notice that Emily's parents married in 1845 and her fathers marital status was given as Widower

This must be his 1st marriage .......see 1841 and 1851 Census here

Marriage 1840
ROWLESON Isaac HITCHINS Ann Tipton, St Martin (Pepper Box) 39/1/471


Two possible deaths for Ann (1)

Mary Ann Rollason 1842 West Bromwich Shropshire, Staffordshire, Warwickshire, Worcestershire
Ann Rollason 1844 West Bromwich Shropshire, Staffordshire, Warwickshire, Worcestershire

The second seems most likely from the name point of view but doesn't leave much time before the second wedding although he would have had a young child to look after so probably wouldn't have been able to wait very long!
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It seems odd that Isaacs Sister in Law Phoebe was living with them as early as 1841 :?

1841 Census
Lyndon House(?) West Bromwich
Isaac Rowleson, 25, Nailor
Ann, 20,
/Mary, 4 months
Febus(?) Hitchans, 16
All born County

1851 Census
Lyne, West bromwich
Isaac Rolinson, head, 38, Naior
Ann, wife, 33, Dudley
Mary, daur, 10,
Benjamin, son, 6,
Ann, daur, 4,
Isaac, son, 2,
Ellen, daur, 1 month
Phoebe Hitchins, Sister in Law, 20, Nailor
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mallosa wrote:It seems odd that Isaacs Sister in Law Phoebe was living with them as early as 1841 :?

1841 Census
Lyndon House(?) West Bromwich
Isaac Rowleson, 25, Nailor
Ann, 20,
/Mary, 4 months
Febus(?) Hitchans, 16
All born County

1851 Census
Lyne, West bromwich
Isaac Rolinson, head, 38, Naior
Ann, wife, 33, Dudley
Mary, daur, 10,
Benjamin, son, 6,
Ann, daur, 4,
Isaac, son, 2,
Ellen, daur, 1 month
Phoebe Hitchins, Sister in Law, 20, Nailor
All others born West Bromwich


I've just looked at the original for 1841 and it is very faintly written - the age for Phoebe could be 16 or 11 - the latter would fit better with the age given in 1851.

Also about the fact that she is with them so early in their marriage - she could just be on an extended stay because of the birth of baby Mary and similarly in 1851 with Ellen - and /or as we have no knowledge yet of the whereabouts of her parents they could have died leaving Ann as her guardian and Isaac effectively had to take them both on - two for the price of one!!
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Well now you've put it that way, it makes more sense :grin:
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mallosa wrote:Well now you've put it that way, it makes more sense :grin:


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mallosa wrote:
1871: Lyndon, West Bromwich
Isaac Rolason 54 Head Nailer Blind about 20 yrs
Ann Rolason 54 Wife
Ellen Rolason 20 Dau U
Joseph Rolason 16 Son Forgeman
Emily Rolason 14 Dau Nailer
Frederick Rolason 9 Son
Isaiah Lucock 27 Son in Law M Forgeman...........Marriage 1866: LUCCOCK Isaiah ROLLASON Mary West Bromwich, All Saints 22/11/298
Mary Lucock 30 Dau M Nailer
Isaac Lucock 1 Gr.Son
Elizabeth Lucock 2 months Gr.Dau
(all born Wst Bromwich)


This looks like Isaiah and Mary...

1881: 20 Griffin Street, West Bromwich
Isaiah Lucock 40 Head M Iron Puddler
Mary Ann Lucock 40 Wife
Isaac Lucock 11 Son (named after Mary's father?) Poss Birth 1869: LUCKOCK Isaac West Bromwich North East WBNE/49/17
Elizabeth Lucock 10 Dau
Joseph William Lucock 8 Son
John Lucock 5 Son
Mary Lucock 3 Dau
Hannah Lucock Dau 11 mths
Fanny Shrewsbury 19 Boarder U Screwmaker Darlaston

Poss Death 1883
LUCCOCK Isaiah 43 W. Bromwich 6b 555

1891: 25 Summer Street, Bakewell, West Bromwich
Mary Lucock 49 Head Wid Lives on her own means
James? Lucock 21 Son S Spike Pointer (Unable to find a birth, so should this be Isaac?)
Lizzie Lucock 20 Dau S Works in Brickyard
Joseph Lucock 18 Son S Heal? Minder
William Lucock 8 Son
Elizabeth Whitehouse 15 Lodger Factory Girl
(all born West Bromwich)

Cant see Mary in 1901 :?

1901: 13 Colley Street, West Bromwich
Elizabeth Lucock 25 Head S Brickmaker
William Lucock 18 Brother Iron Worker
Mary Lucock 6 Dau
John Lucock 3 Dau
Esicior Lucock 5 mths
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mallosa wrote:
1891: 25 Summer Street, Bakewell, West Bromwich
Mary Lucock 49 Head Wid Lives on her own means
James? Lucock 21 Son S Spike Pointer (Unable to find a birth, so should this be Isaac?)
Lizzie Lucock 20 Dau S Works in Brickyard
Joseph Lucock 18 Son S Heal? Minder
William Lucock 8 Son
Elizabeth Whitehouse 15 Lodger Factory Girl
(all born West Bromwich)



Poss Marriage 1897
LUCOCK Isaac WHITEHOUSE Lizzie West Bromwich, St Andrew Sandwell Register Office 26/2/257

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mallosa wrote:1901: 13 Colley Street, West Bromwich
Elizabeth Lucock 25 Head S Brickmaker
William Lucock 18 Brother Iron Worker
Mary Lucock 6 Dau
John Lucock 3 Dau
Esicior Lucock 5 mths
(all born West Bromwich)


Did Elizabeth revert to maiden name? have three children out of wedlock??? Married another Lucock

She also appears to have lost 5 years between census -

Just seen Mally's post re Marriage ? so is this Isaac's wife Elizabeth with Brother-in-law William (age fits better) or Elizabeth with Brother William looking after nephews and nieces??
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Well here's Isaac and Lizzie.....

1901: 61 Claypitts Lane, West Bromwich
Isaac Lucock 31 Head Lab Ironworks
Lizzie Lucock 28 Wife
Isaac Lucock 2 Son
Joseph Whitehouse 15 Step Bro Lab Brickworks
(all born West Bromwich)

I've added the following marriage to look ups

Poss Marriage 1897
LUCOCK Isaac WHITEHOUSE Lizzie West Bromwich, St Andrew Sandwell Register Office 26/2/257
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mallosa wrote:1901: 13 Colley Street, West Bromwich
Elizabeth Lucock 25 Head S Brickmaker
William Lucock 18 Brother Iron Worker
Mary Lucock 6 Dau
John Lucock 3 Dau
Esicior Lucock 5 mths
(all born West Bromwich)


1911 Workhouse Schools, WORKHOUSE SCHOOLS
LUCOCK, May F 16 1895 Scholar Unknown

1911 61 Clay Pit Lane
LUCOCK, Isaac Head Married 13 years M 42 1869 Tap Wheeler West Bromwich Staffs
LUCOCK, Elizie Wife Married F 38 1873 West Bromwich Staffs
LUCOCK, John Son M 13 1898 West Bromwich Staffs
LUCOCK, Isaac Son M 12 1899 West Bromwich Staffs
LUCOCK, Joseph Son M 2 1909 West Bromwich Staffs

and since Mally has found Isaac and wife Elizabeth in 1901 presumably Mary, John and Esicior were all his sisters out of wedlock and they took John in but Mary was too much of a handful so that leaves Esicior

What is his name Isaac/Hezekiah?
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I think it could be Isaac, don't you?

Birth 1899
LUCCOCK Isaac West Bromwich South West Sandwell Register Office WBSW/121/173
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Maths girl wrote:
1911 Workhouse Schools, WORKHOUSE SCHOOLS
LUCOCK, May F 16 1895 Scholar Unknown

1911 61 Clay Pit Lane
LUCOCK, Isaac Head Married 13 years M 42 1869 Tap Wheeler West Bromwich Staffs
LUCOCK, Elizie Wife Married F 38 1873 West Bromwich Staffs
LUCOCK, John Son M 13 1898 West Bromwich Staffs
LUCOCK, Isaac Son M 12 1899 West Bromwich Staffs
LUCOCK, Joseph Son M 2 1909 West Bromwich Staffs

and since Mally has found Isaac and wife Elizabeth in 1901 presumably Mary, John and Esicior were all his sisters out of wedlock and they took John in but Mary was too much of a handful so that leaves Esicior

What is his name Isaac/Hezekiah?


Once again, logic comes into it MG :grin: (shame I'm unable to use mine)
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