*Arc tbc* --Rose Family

[mumbles]

Whilst inserting William Adams born 1867 Blackheath Staffs. I found Lodgers from Rose Family living in 1911:-
1911 Census 168 New John Street Blackheath Birmingham Hill Halesowen Stourbridge Worcs.
William Adams Head 44 Coal Miner Loader Underground
Eliza Adams wife 42
Emily Adams dau 16 Bolt Pinter
William Thomas Adams son 2
Matilda Adams dau 2mths.
Thomas Rose Lodger (wid) 47 Brickyard Labourer born Old Hill Staffs.
Lilly May Rose Lodger 7
Rest Born Blackheath Staffs.
Noted as married 18 years and 7 children of which 4 alive and 3 dead

Traced these back to see if related and could not find a connection but I believe Thomas is related to Kates John Rose born 1827 and Rebecca.

1901 Census Hays Road Hill Halesowen Stourbridge Worcs.
Thomas Rose Head 37 Brickyard Labourer born Old Hill Staffs.
Hannah Rose Wife 33 born Blackheath Staffs.
Ethel Rose dau 13
Hannah Rose dau 8
Beatrice Rose dau 6
Joseph Rose 2
Rest born Halesowen Worcs.

Hays Road changed name c. 1905 to New John Street

Thomas married Hannah Hutton St. Pauls Blackheath in 1886

1891 Census Maltmill Lane Halesowen Stourbridge Worcs.
Thomas Rose Head 27 Briickyard Lab. born Rowley Regis
Hannah Rose wife 23 born Rowley Regis
Ethel Rose dau 3 Scholar born Halesowen Worcs.
Frank Rose son 6mths born Halesowen Worcs.

[mumbles]

Thomas Rose is possibly this one as location fits :-

1871 Census Olive Lane Halesowen Stourbridge Worcs.
Joseph Mole Head 26 Nail Forger born Cocksheads Worcs.
Sarah Mole wife 24 Nail Forge born Rowley Regis
Thomas Rose stepson 7 born Rowley Regis
Eliza Mole dau 4 born Rowley Regis
William Mole son born Cocksheads Worcs.
Albert Mole son born Cockheads Worcs.

Joseph Mole married Sarah Rose in 1864 St. John Halesowen

On a tree in Ancestry Sarah Rose is noted as daughter of George & Hannah Rose already on bcc but born Oldbury Worcs.
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =805437448

[Northern Lass]

Hi Mumbles
if the place of birth is incorrect on BCC please do change it to where she was born I am fine with that


do we need a look up on this one think we do
can you add it pls mumbles
we have another Joseph mole marrying a rose

6 May 1872 St Thomas Dudley
Joseph Mole - 21- bach- Rivetmaker- Dudley- Samuel Mole dead- nailer
Getha Rose- 20 spinster- Dudley- William Rose dead- Rivet maker
Joseph signed / X Getha
Banns
X William Thompson/ X Phebe Darbey

need to see if Sarahs father is George

[mumbles]

Nl
I agree I think we need look up as the more I research there are more options for Sarah Rose .
I will add look up

[Northern Lass]

Ok we can archive this pend look up

[Northern Lass]

Thomas Rose is possibly this one as location fits :-

1871 Census Olive Lane Halesowen Stourbridge Worcs.
Joseph Mole Head 26 Nail Forger born Cocksheads Worcs.
Sarah Mole wife 24 Nail Forge born Rowley Regis
Thomas Rose stepson 7 born Rowley Regis
Eliza Mole dau 4 born Rowley Regis
William Mole son born Cocksheads Worcs.
Albert Mole son born Cockheads Worcs.

Joseph Mole married Sarah Rose in 1864 St. John Halesowen

On a tree in Ancestry Sarah Rose is noted as daughter of George & Hannah Rose already on bcc but born Oldbury Worcs.
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =805437448

Ok I have looked this up and the father for Sarah Rose is not a George but a John
so we are right to always check

I am going to split this look up to 2 threads
we can run with Sarah Rose on this one and I will open another for Joseph mole

So here is the marriage look up
I can't see Sarah that fits b 1846

there is this one but to young
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =400171296

can we find Sarah Rose on census in 1861 with father John Rose a Boatman
we might be able to link in

[Northern Lass]

Sorry forgot marriage...here tis

18 Dec 1864 St John Halesowen<br>
Joseph Mole- 18- bach- Gastube maker- Hill - William Mole - nailer<br>
Sarah Rose- 18- spinster- Hill- John Rose- Boatman<br>
banns<br>
X both<br>
Wit - Joseph Smith/ Can't read the other

opening new thread for Joseph mole

[mallosa]

1861: Slack Hillock P.H. (Public House?) Rowley Regis
Honor Rose 41 Head W Nailmaker
Elizabeth Rose 16 Dau
Sarah Rose 13 Dau
Joseph Rose 11 Son Labourers Boy
John Rose 9 Mo Son
(all born Rowley Regis)

1851: Gorsty Hill, Rowley Regis, Staffordshire
John Rose 33 Head Boat Loader (Coal)
Honor Rose 31 Wife
Ann Rose 9 Dau
Elizabeth Rose 7 Dau
Sarah Rose 3 Dau
Joseph Rose 1 Son
(all born Rowley Regis)

1841: Slack Hillock, Rowley Regis
John Rose 20 Boat Loader
Honnor Rose 20
Mary Ann Rose 2
Harriot Rose 20
Thommas Rose 19
Joseph Rose 14
Moses Rose 5
( all yes - born in county)

Marriage 1839 (From West Midlands BMG)
ROSE John WESTON Honor Dudley, St Thomas Dudley Register Office 204/002/222

[mallosa]

Living next door but one to John and Honor in 1861 is...

Joseph and Mary Rose with their children

[mallosa]

1861: Slack Hillock P.H. (Public House?) Rowley Regis
Honor Rose 41 Head W Nailmaker
Elizabeth Rose 16 Dau
Sarah Rose 13 Dau
Joseph Rose 11 Son Labourers Boy
John Rose 9 Mo Son
(all born Rowley Regis)

1851: Gorsty Hill, Rowley Regis, Staffordshire
John Rose 33 Head Boat Loader (Coal)
Honor Rose 31 Wife
Ann Rose 9 Dau
Elizabeth Rose 7 Dau
Sarah Rose 3 Dau
Joseph Rose 1 Son
(all born Rowley Regis)

1841: Slack Hillock, Rowley Regis
John Rose 20 Boat Loader
Honnor Rose 20
Mary Ann Rose 2
Harriot Rose 20
Thommas Rose 19
Joseph Rose 14
Moses Rose 5
( all yes - born in county)

Marriage 1839 (From West Midlands BMG)
ROSE John WESTON Honor Dudley, St Thomas Dudley Register Office 204/002/222

Some of this info is already on - ...here

I'll add the 1851 and 1861 Census

[mallosa]

Will add children now

[Northern Lass]

Nice one San

that marriage needs adding too for Sarah and Joseph Mole he isnt on
think his father might be but I have that down for a look up
so add Joseph and add a william as father and stick a note on maybe the one b 1821 on bcc already with father John tbc

now why 2 Elizabeths?

[mallosa]

Thomas Rose is possibly this one as location fits :-

1871 Census Olive Lane Halesowen Stourbridge Worcs.
Joseph Mole Head 26 Nail Forger born Cocksheads Worcs.
Sarah Mole wife 24 Nail Forge born Rowley Regis
Thomas Rose stepson 7 born Rowley Regis
Eliza Mole dau 4 born Rowley Regis
William Mole son born Cocksheads Worcs.
Albert Mole son born Cockheads Worcs.

Joseph Mole married Sarah Rose in 1864 St. John Halesowen

On a tree in Ancestry Sarah Rose is noted as daughter of George & Hannah Rose already on bcc but born Oldbury Worcs.
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =805437448

1881: Olive Lane, The Hill, Worcester
Joseph Mole 35 Head M Nail Forger
Sarah Mole 35 Wife M Nail Forger Old Hill, Staffordshire
Thomas Rose Mole 17 Son Nail Forger Old Hill, Staffordshire
Eliza Mole 15 Dau Nail Forger
William Mole 13 Son Nail Forger
Albert Mole 11 Son
Benjm. Mole 7 Son
Alice Mole 6 Dau
Emma Mole 4 Dau
Adam Mole 3 Son
Nathan Mole Son 4mths
(others born Cocksheads, Worcestershire)

1891: Malt Mill Lane, Hill, Worcester
Joseph Mole 45 Brickyard Lab
Sarah Mole 45 Rowley
Albert Mole 20 S Tubeworker
Benjamin Mole 18 Coalminer
Alice Mole 16 Brickyard Lab
Emily Mole 14 Boot ? Factory
Adam Mole 12
Nathan Mole 10
Hannah Mole 8 Dau
Mary Mole 5 Dau
Joseph Mole 2 Son
(others born Halesowen)

Living next door are John Rose (33) wife Elizabeth (33) Ellen (12) Mary J (11) Alice (8) James (4) and Isaac (2)

is this them?

1901: Nimmings, Cakemore, Worcester
Joseph Mole 55 Bricksetter
Sarah Mole 54
Mary Mole 16 Dau Sweet Bottler
(all born Blackheath, Worcester)

[mallosa]

Haven't added 1901 Census yet but here's all the rest ...here

[Northern Lass]

Thanks San

Unless anyone wishes to run anymore with this we can archive