*Arc pending more info on Mar cert--*Elizabeth Ann Tromans

[Northern Lass]

Got a query on a Tromans line on BCC that someone has kindly flagged

can't get on to show you but it is the dau of Ruben Tromans who either married Sarah Ann Webb or Ann Daly

Herbert Hoyle married Elizabeth Ann Tromans (b1874 Treforest Wales ) in 1902.
Her parents were Reuben Tromans (b 1844 Bristol) and .... we have Ann Daly ... someone else has Sarah Ann Webb (b 1845 in Pembrokeshire)

Reubens father was Henry (b 1819 Rowley ) who marrried Elizabeth (b 1821 Bristol )

can we find some census etc to run with this and sort it out please

[grangers14]

1901 Census 14, Willow Street, Rawtenstall, Lancashire

Reuben Tromans, head, 56, Chain Maker, Bristol
Ann, wife, 56, Pembroke
Elizabeth Ann, daur, 27, Cotton Weaver, Treforrest, Glamorgan
John Henry, son, 19, Blacksmith,
Isaac, son, 17, Banksman
Arthur, son, 13, Block printers boy
All others born, Waterfoot, Lancashire

[grangers14]

1891 14, Willow Street, Cowpe Lench Newhall Hey and Hall Carr, Lancashire

Reuben Trueman, head, 46, Chain Maker, Bristol
Ann, wife, 47, Pembroke Dock
Elizabeth A, daur, 17, Cotton Weaver, Treforrest
Mary J, daur, 15, Cotton spinner, Treforrest
John H, son, 9,
Isaac, son, 7,
Arthur, son, 3
All others born Waterfoot

[grangers14]

Marriages 1869, TROMANS Reuben WEBB Sarah A Lower Gornal, St James Dudley Register Office 215/002/471

I cant see themat the moment in an earlier census.
Jo

[grangers14]

Thought 1911 might help but doesnt really
1911 Census
14, Grant St, Waterfoot, Lancashire
Reuben Tromans, head, widower, 66, Chainmaker, Bristol

1911 Census
442, Bacup Road, Waterfoot, Lancashire
Herbert Hoyle, head, 33, Slipper maker, cobble, Manchester
Elizabeth Ann, wife, married 8 years, 37, Pontyfreidd, Glam
Jack, son, 5,
Frank, son, 2,
Annie, daur, 11 months
All others born Waterfoot,

[Northern Lass]

Marriages 1869, TROMANS Reuben WEBB Sarah A Lower Gornal, St James Dudley Register Office 215/002/471

I cant see themat the moment in an earlier census.
Jo

Ok will add this to look ups

Think I found Reuben on earlier census with father Henry Tromans b RR and mother Elizabeth b Bristol

then there is this birth which may be Elizabeth Ann Tromans
as that is what I really need now that birth cert

can anyone find her birth please
she puts Treforest Glamorgan on 1901
and then this one Ponti pridd in 1911
Elizabeth Ann, wife, married 8 years, 37, Pontyfreidd, Glam

I think it is that one on free bmd mispelt
and I think that is her Reubens marriage to ann daly in 1873 in pontypridd

but without sending for anything anyone any ideas?

[Northern Lass]

I wondered if this is her

Births Sep 1874
TREHARNE Elizabeth Ann Pontypridd 11a 379

and marriage

Marriages Sep 1873
DALY Ann Pontypridd 11a 496
HALE Emily Pontypridd 11a 496
Truman Reuben Pontypridd 11a 496
Waughington William Pontypridd 11a 496

[peterd]

here the bcc link

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =420356739

[peterd]

Marriages 1869, TROMANS Reuben WEBB Sarah A Lower Gornal, St James Dudley Register Office 215/002/471

I cant see themat the moment in an earlier census.
Jo

is this them in 1871

1871 Church St Halesowen

Reuben Truman 23 Nailforger
Sarah Truman 24 Nailforger
Martha Truman 2
all born halesowen

[peterd]

1901 Census 14, Willow Street, Rawtenstall, Lancashire

Reuben Tromans, head, 56, Chain Maker, Bristol
Ann, wife, 56, Pembroke
Elizabeth Ann, daur, 27, Cotton Weaver, Treforrest, Glamorgan
John Henry, son, 19, Blacksmith,
Isaac, son, 17, Banksman
Arthur, son, 13, Block printers boy
All others born, Waterfoot, Lancashire

these in

1881 Church Street Cowpe Lench Newhall Hey & Hall Carr, Lancashire

Rueben TRUEMAN 39 Bristol Iron Bolt Maker
Ann TRUEMAN 38 Pembroke, Wales Iron Bolt Maker Wife
Elizabeth Ann TRUEMAN 8 Preepont, Wales Scholar
Mary Jane TRUEMAN 5 Pont...fold, Wales Scholar
Sarah Ann TRUEMAN 1 Tipton

[peterd]

Marriages 1869, TROMANS Reuben WEBB Sarah A Lower Gornal, St James Dudley Register Office 215/002/471

I cant see themat the moment in an earlier census.
Jo

is this them in 1871

1871 Church St Halesowen

Reuben Truman 23 Nailforger
Sarah Truman 24 Nailforger
Martha Truman 2
all born halesowen

looks like ruebens remarries here and living with father

1881 Furnace Hill Hawn, Worcester,

Jason TROMANS Head W 68 Halesowen, Worcester, Nail Maker
Abigail TROMANS Daur 30 Halesowen, Worcester, Nail Maker
Reuben TROMANS Son M 33 Halesowen, Worcester, Nail Maker
Mary TROMANS Daur In Law 27 Halesowen, Worcester, Nail Maker
Martha TROMANS Daur 12 Halesowen, Worcester, Nail Maker

[Northern Lass]

So the one married to Sarah is a different one than the one we want
his father is Jason

so we are rite with Ann Daly as mother to Elizabeth
would need verifying of course....

that is how I read it

plus our Henry Tromans didnt marry an Elizabeth edwards
I think he married Elizabeth Stanley...in bristol


Marriages Jun 1846
Bratt Caroline Dudley 18 464
Chatwin William Dudley 18 464
Edwards Elizabeth Dudley 18 464
Johnson Mary Dudley 18 464
Morris Joseph Dudley 18 464
Stokes William Dudley 18 464
Taylor Ann Dudley 18 464
Tromans Henry Dudley 18 464


but the marriages are...
1846
TROMANS Henry JOHNSON Mary Dudley, St Edmund Dudley Register Office 201/001/80


1846
EDWARDS Elizabeth MORRIS Joseph Dudley, St Edmund Dudley Register Office 201/001/79


so I think this is the one for Henry maybe...would need to be checked
but Reuben is born Glouces

Marriages Dec 1839
CLARK Charlotte Handsomebody Bristol 11 155
KEMMERLY Charles Bristol 11 155
Purdy Mary Ann Bristol 11 155
SAVERTON Sophia Bristol 11 155
STANLEY Elizabeth Bristol 11 155
THRESHER Henry Edward Bristol 11 155
TROWMAN Henry Bristol 11 155
WILLIAMS Thomas Bristol 11 155


REUBEN TROWMANS Christening: 15 DEC 1844 St Philip And St Jacob, Bristol, Gloucester, Parents:
Father: HENRY TROWMANS
Mother: ELIZABETH
Extracted


Births Dec 1844
TROWMAN Reuben Clifton 11 304
this is in Glouces

[peterd]

here jason and ruebens bcc

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =252982035

[Northern Lass]

hang on then so 2 Sarahs
one Sarah webb in 1867
and
one in 1869

and then mary in 1878

so which Sarah is it

1867
TROMANS Reuben SLATER Sarah Halesowen, St John the Baptist Dudley Register Office 014/003/269

1869
TROMANS Reuben WEBB Sarah A Lower Gornal, St James Dudley Register Office 215/002/471

1874
TROMANS Reuben ROUND Catherine Oldswinford, St Mary Dudley Register Office 003/010/260

1878
TROMANS Reuben TETHER Mary Cradley Heath, St Luke Sandwell Register Office 20/1/382

[peterd]

looks like two ruebens them four marriages will tell use who who ?