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Hi folks,
I'm hoping someone will be able to help with a Parkes family query.
Abraham and Ann Parkes, of Siviters Lane/Rowley Village, had six known children, the eldest Joseph appears in the 1841 census aged 19 years.
In 1851 there are 3 Joseph Parkes, that I know of, of the right age in Rowley Regis.
Joseph Parkes who married Sarah, aged 29, a nailmaker. Then living in Gosty Hill.
Joseph Parkes who married Fanny, aged 30, a nailer. Then living in Mincing Lane.
Joseph Parkes who married Elizabeth, aged 29, (you guessed it) a nailer. Living in Blackheath. Surname spelt Parks in this census.
If one, or fingers crossed, two can be excluded as belonging to another Parkes family it will make things easier.
Any help appreciated.

This Joseph Parkes is on BCC here:
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =593506202

An Ancestry Tree (crockett Family Tree ) suggests that this Joseph Parkes married a Sarah, and is the father of George Benjamin Parkes b. 1846 Rowley Regis.

Maybe this eliminates one Joseph?

Free BDMs:
Samuel Bayte 1846 Dudley (To 1912) Staffordshire, Worcestershire
Michael Cockin 1846 Dudley (To 1912) Staffordshire, Worcestershire
Thomas Green 1846 Dudley (To 1912) Staffordshire, Worcestershire
Fanny Haden 1846 Dudley (To 1912) Staffordshire, Worcestershire
Joseph Parkes 1846 Dudley (To 1912) Staffordshire, Worcestershire
Eliza Price 1846 Dudley (To 1912) Staffordshire, Worcestershire
Priscilla Southall 1846 Dudley (To 1912) Staffordshire, Worcestershire
Elizabeth Williams 1846 Dudley (To 1912) Staffordshire, Worcestershire

On BCC, the Joseph who marries Fanny Haden is down as the son of Joseph Parkes and Phoebe Unknown.
"Joseph Parkes
Birth: Mincing Lane
Christening: 01 APR 1821 Rowley Regis, Stafford,"

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =122911878
cf.
1851
At Mincing Lane, Rowley Regis
Joseph Parkes Head 30 Nailer b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Hanny Parkes Wife 24 Nailer b. Staffs., Rowley Regis ('Hanny' on transcript, but 'Fanny' on image.)
James Parkes Son 4 Nailer's Son b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
John Parkes Son 3 Nailer's Son b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Ann Parkes Daur 9 Mo Nailer's Daur b. Staffs., Rowley Regis

Other Parkes on same page include:
Samuel age 31 b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Josiah age 39 b. Staffs., Rowley Regis

I thought these could be brothers of Joseph 1821, but neither are on BCC as children of Joseph and Phoebe.

1861
At Mincing lane, Rowley Regis
Joseph Parkes Head 40 Nail Maker b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Fanny Parkes Wife 34 Nail Maker b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
James Parkes Son 14 Nail Maker b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
John Parkes Son 12 Nail Maker b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Elizabeth Parkes Daur 9 Scholar b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Ellen Parkes Daur 4 Scholar b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Joseph Parkes Son 3 b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Fanny Parkes Daur 3 Mo b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Emma Hadley Boarder 19 Nail Maker b. Staffs., Rowley Regis

1871
At Hackett St., Rowley Regis
Joseph Parkes Head 50 Nailer b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Fanny Parkes Wife 45 Nailer b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
John Parkes Son 23 Nailer b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Elizabeth Parkes Daur 18 Nailer b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Ellen Parkes Daur 16 Nailer b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Joseph Parkes Son 12 Nailer b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Caroline Parkes Daur 8 Scholar b. Staffs., Rowley Regis (Is Caroline Fanny?)
William Parkes Son 6 Scholar b. Staffs., Rowley Regis

1881
At 35 Hackett St., Rowley Regis
Joseph Parkes Head 60 Nailer b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Faney Parkes Wife 66 Nailer b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Joseph Parkes Son 20 Nailer b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Fanny Parkes Daur 18 Nailer b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
William Parkes Son 16 Nailer b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Samuel Parkes Son 13 Scholar b. Staffs., Rowley Regis (where was Samuel in 1871?)

OK, NL, I'll put all these census on BCC. - Done

Although we have this on BCC:
"Marriage info
31 Dec 1844 St Thomas Dudley
-Joseph Parkes of full age- bach - hoopmaker- Dudley Wood parish of Dudley- Benjamin Parkes deceased- nailer
-Sarah Willetts of full age- spinster- Dudley Wood - George Willetts - Grocer
-banns
-Joseph signed X Sarah
Wit- Thomas Willetts X and Ann Evans"

here: http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... &pid=10623

we can't yet eliminate Sarah as a possible wife for Joseph as there are lots of possible Joseph Parkes to Sarah marriages on Free BMDs.

I think I have sorted the Samuel problem 1871

dianel wrote:
1871
At Hackett St., Rowley Regis
Joseph Parkes Head 50 Nailer b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Fanny Parkes Wife 45 Nailer b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
John Parkes Son 23 Nailer b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Elizabeth Parkes Daur 18 Nailer b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Ellen Parkes Daur 16 Nailer b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Joseph Parkes Son 12 Nailer b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Caroline Parkes Daur 8 Scholar b. Staffs., Rowley Regis (Is Caroline Fanny?)
William Parkes Son 6 Scholar b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Samuel Parkes Son 3 Scholar b. Staffs, Rowley Regis This is on original but not on Ancestry's transcription

1881
At 35 Hackett St., Rowley Regis
Joseph Parkes Head 60 Nailer b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Faney Parkes Wife 66 Nailer b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Joseph Parkes Son 20 Nailer b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Fanny Parkes Daur 18 Nailer b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
William Parkes Son 16 Nailer b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Samuel Parkes Son 13 Scholar b. Staffs., Rowley Regis (where was Samuel in 1871?)

dianel wrote:Although we have this on BCC:
"Marriage info
31 Dec 1844 St Thomas Dudley
-Joseph Parkes of full age- bach - hoopmaker- Dudley Wood parish of Dudley- Benjamin Parkes deceased- nailer
-Sarah Willetts of full age- spinster- Dudley Wood - George Willetts - Grocer
-banns
-Joseph signed X Sarah
Wit- Thomas Willetts X and Ann Evans"

here: http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... &pid=10623

we can't yet eliminate Sarah as a possible wife for Joseph as there are lots of possible Joseph Parkes to Sarah marriages on Free BMDs.

this one can be eliminated as looking for abraham as father of joseph ?

So we are looking for who this Joseph parkes married?

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =171793253

hereiam wrote:Hi folks,
I'm hoping someone will be able to help with a Parkes family query.
Abraham and Ann Parkes, of Siviters Lane/Rowley Village, had six known children, the eldest Joseph appears in the 1841 census aged 19 years.
In 1851 there are 3 Joseph Parkes, that I know of, of the right age in Rowley Regis.
Joseph Parkes who married Sarah, aged 29, a nailmaker. Then living in Gosty Hill.
Joseph Parkes who married Fanny, aged 30, a nailer. Then living in Mincing Lane.
Joseph Parkes who married Elizabeth, aged 29, (you guessed it) a nailer. Living in Blackheath. Surname spelt Parks in this census.
If one, or fingers crossed, two can be excluded as belonging to another Parkes family it will make things easier.
Any help appreciated.

So it isn't Fanny Haden as we have exclueded her as that Joseph has diff father ie Joseph
and it isnt Sarah Willetts as father is Benjamin

so it could be this.
1843
PARKES Joseph DETHERIDGE Elizabeth Kingswinford, St Mary Dudley Register Office 213/001/369

or it could be any of these!

a marriage look up has to be done to cf father

1843
PARKES Joseph DETHERIDGE Elizabeth Kingswinford, St Mary Dudley Register Office 213/001/369
PARKES Joseph HADLEY Selina West Bromwich, Christ Church Sandwell Register Office 23/1/338
PARKES Joseph SLOSS Sarah Tipton, St Martin (Pepper Box) Sandwell Register Office 39/2/417

1844
PARKES Joseph HILL Sarah Oldswinford, St Mary Dudley Register Office 003/002/282

1845
PARKES Joseph HOLLYOAK Sarah West Bromwich, Christ Church Sandwell Register Office 23/1/456
PARKES Joseph JONES Sarah Oldswinford, St Mary Dudley Register Office 003/002/446

1846
PARKES Joseph PARKES Hannah Dudley, St Thomas Dudley Register Office 204/007/415

1847
PARKES Joseph PERRY Phebe Dudley, St Thomas Dudley Register Office 204/008/177

1849
PARKES Joseph BURNES Maria Dudley, St Thomas Dudley Register Office 204/009/217

1850
PARKES Joseph HICKMAN Anne Lower Gornal, St James Dudley Register Office 215/001/60

1851
PARKES Joseph EDWARDS Elizabeth Dudley, St Edmund Dudley Register Office 201/001/406

most of them can be excluded nl as joseph need to be born c1822 and the 3 hereiam listed are the only 3 in 1851 census that are right age born rr

but he might not be on 1851 census ?

peterd wrote:most of them can be excluded nl as joseph need to be born c1822 and the 3 hereiam listed are the only 3 in 1851 census that are right age born rr

but he might not be on 1851 census ?

How can most of them be excluded
those above could be b 1822 and living in another area

Do you have any more on this Joseph at all hereiam

Wonder if he married and called his kid Abraham
see if on census any likely Josephs with an Abraham

1844
PARKES Abraham West Bromwich South West Sandwell Register Office WBSW/8/167

1846
PARKES Abraham West Bromwich South West Sandwell Register Office WBSW/10/338

1847
PARKES Abraham Tipton Sandwell Register Office TIP/23/367

1849
PARKES Abraham West Bromwich North East Sandwell Register Office WBNE/14/162

1855
PARKES Abraham West Bromwich South West Sandwell Register Office WBSW/24/278

One of Joseph's siblings married in 1847. The witnesses were Joseph Parkes and Elizabeth Parkes so it is possible/probable Joseph married an Elizabeth.
Thanks for everyone's imput.

hereiam wrote:One of Joseph's siblings married in 1847. The witnesses were Joseph Parkes and Elizabeth Parkes so it is possible/probable Joseph married an Elizabeth.
Thanks for everyone's imput.

elizabeth his sister too young to be witness ?

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =214552891

2 poss

PARKES Joseph DETHERIDGE Elizabeth 1843 Kingswinford, St Mary West Midlands Dudley Register Office 213/001/369

PARKES Joseph EDWARDS Elizabeth 1851 Dudley, St Edmund West Midlands Dudley Register Office 201/001/406


plus

Marriages Jun 1846

Bayte Samuel Dudley 18 467
Cockin Michael Dudley 18 467
Green Thomas Dudley 18 467
Haden Fanny Dudley 18 467
Parkes Joseph Dudley 18 467
PRICE Eliza Dudley 18 467
SOUTHALL Priscilla Dudley 18 467
WILLIAMS Elizabeth Dudley 18 467

or


Marriages Jun 1849

Billingham Elizabeth Dudley 18 449
Burnes Maria Dudley 18 449
Cartwright James Dudley 18 449
Elwell Mary Ann Dudley 18 449
Golding Charles Dudley 18 449
Palmer Frederick Dudley 18 449
Parkes Joseph Dudley 18 449
Richards Elizabeth Dudley 18 449



twoposs before 1847 ?