*Arc tbc* --William Daniels and Rhoda Williams

[Northern Lass]

Ok I am posting this look up

I have a feeling it is the William Daniels b 1860 but I don't know

so can we start with this one and come to it fresh eyed


I have not entered this marriage yet so let's see what we uncover...some of the census for this couple are in that possible links thread

So this is a look up done for Jimmy the cat


6 March 1882 St Thomas Dudley
William Daniel- 23- bach- miner- Dudley- William Daniel - miner
Rhoda Williams - 23- spinster- Dudley- James Williams - miner
banns
X both
Wit- Walter Bill/ X Agnes Garbett

ok lets sort this lot they are doin me nut in!

[Northern Lass]

1891. 47 Elbow St.
This looks like the one above.
William Daniel 24. coalminer.
Rhoda Daniel 25. nailer.
John Daniel 4.
Lily Daniel 2.
William Daniel 3/12.
James Williams 40. nailer. father in law.
James Williams 20. coalminer. brother in law.

All born Rowley Regis.

1901.
8, Elbow St. RR.
William Daniels 40. Coalminer.
Rhoda Daniels 40. born Oldhill.
Matilda Daniels 17.
John Daniels 14.
Lily Daniels 12.
Mary Ann Daniels 7.
Edith Daniels 3.

All others born RR.

in 1891 matilda dau is visiting prob G mother Ann Williams

look at the name matilda

I think this is Wm Daniels son of Wm Daniels b 1834

[peterd]

1881 46 New St (Bee Hive) Walsall Foreign, Stafford

William DANIEL 46 N K, Shropshire, Chartermaster (M S)
Mary DANIEL 50 Bloxwich, Stafford,
William DANIEL 20 Bloxwich, Stafford, Coal Miner
Harriet DANIEL 14 Bloxwich, Stafford,


(A chartermaster is a person who is responsible for extracting coal from a section of a mine, being responsible for the men's safety and welfare, and for the maintenance of the workings etc.)

[Jimmy]

The only other one I can see is what we have.
1881.
Ann Perry 66.
Abraham Rose 25.
Elizabeth Rose 22.
Mary A. Rose.
William Daniels 50. General labourer
William Daniels 22. General labourer.
Sarah Daniels 18.
Ellen Daniels 13.
Abbess Daniels 1.

Can they go from being Labourers to miners in 10 months.

[Northern Lass]

The only other one I can see is what we have.
1881.
Ann Perry 66.
Abraham Rose 25.
Elizabeth Rose 22.
Mary A. Rose.
William Daniels 50. General labourer
William Daniels 22. General labourer.
Sarah Daniels 18.
Ellen Daniels 13.
Abbess Daniels 1.

Can they go from being Labourers to miners in 10 months.

I know Jimmy that bit is bothering me

but look what they call their dau matilda
and they are born RR
not Bloxwich a very different area

so I dont know

could do with finding this Bloxwich lot on later census

[peterd]

1871 Private ? house walsall foreign

William Daniel 37 miner, Shropshire,
Maria Daniel 40 Bloxwich
Mary Daniel 13 Bloxwich
William Daniel 10 Bloxwich
Harriett M Daniel 4 Bloxwich

[peterd]

its not him here he is 1891 married to a martha

1891 vine pub walsall Foreign

Wm Daniel 29 publican
Martha Daniel 28
Wm F Daniel 5
Elizth Brickley 13 serv

[Northern Lass]

its not him here he is 1891 married to a martha

1891 vine pub walsall Foreign

Wm Daniel 29 publican
Martha Daniel 28
Wm F Daniel 5
Elizth Brickley 13 serv

rite well in that case it is the Other one that married Rhoda

I am connecting them up
I think the age is good
area is good
he calls his dau Matilda
father is a William Daniels

Ok the only sticking point is that Wm jnr and Wm snr on marriage cert say miners
and both Wms that we want are labourers....but I find any occup is stuck on the cert
perhaps miner was a step up from labourer

On his marriage Wm snr puts engineer
Marriage info by Jan
4 May 1856 St Thomas Dudley
William Daniel- full- bach- engineer- Dudley- William Daniel- dead- carter
Matilda Smith- minor- widow- Dudley- William Rose- nailer
banns
Wit- X Ann Daniel/ X Joseph Daniel

yet on 1861 census
William Daniels lodger 23 Soda Grater
Matilda Daniels wife 25 Nailer
Joseph Smith son in law 5
William Daniels son 10mths.


so think he made em up!

[Northern Lass]

flagging to archive unless anyone wishes to run any more with Wm Daniels jnr