*ARC TBC* Ongoing saga of missing William Cutler marriage...

[MarkCDodd]

If you recall...

There were some questions about the parnetage of George Cutler (1846-1901) from Oldbury.

I obtained his birth certificates and he, and his six siblings, have William Cutler and Sarah Clarke as their parents.

Trouble is, nobody could find a William Cutler - Sarah Clarke marriage ANYWHERE in England.

So...I had the theory that Sarah Clarke married a George Moore who died early in the marriage.

She then married William Cutler soon after as Sarah Moore.

I just received the Willaim Cutler and Sarah Moore wedding certificate. I put an extra check on it to ensure it was only sent in William's father was shown as Daniel.

William's father is Daniel on certificate but:

a) She is listed as a Spinster, not a Widow.

b) Ages are not shown. She is listed as a Minor, which would fit in with Sarah Clarke.

c) Her fathers name is listed as John Moore....not a Clarke!

d) Both William and his father have an occupation of Whitesmith....something I havenot seenon their census returns.

The marriage is alo later than the birth of the first child, Daniel.

So it doesn't look a good fit.

What next?

[Northern Lass]

that is so frustrating

so she is a Sarah Moore married as such and father is a John Moore
so the wrong one

any one any ideas

[linell]

The Marriage could well be at one of the Churches not on the IGI.

Linell.

[linell]

Is this it?

Marriages Sep 1846 (>99%)
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Allbutt Emily Alice W Bromwich 18 616
Cutler William W Bromwich 18 616
Elwill Solomon W Bromwich 18 616
Horton Edward W. Bromwich 18 616
Johnson Eliza W Bromwich 18 616
Moore Sarah W Bromwich 18 616
Rollason Sarah W Bromwich 18 616
Short Thomas W Bromwich 18 616

[cid]

Not sure how local to West Bromwich you require the marriage to be. the following one isn't local at all

There is a marriage for a William Cutler age 23 and Sarah Crook age 22 on 8th June 1840 at Monks Risborough, Buckingham on the IGI.

Missheard surname perhaps??

[grangers14]

Do you hve them on all census? Any possible family living near?
Jo

[gardener]

Here's the earlier thread with some census on it
viewtopic.php?f=31&t=2586

[grangers14]

Thanks Gardener, now I remember!
If that marriage is right, from NL

A Sarah Clarke married a George Moore at Bromsgrove in the 4th Qtr 1845. (Volume 18 Page 299)
England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
George Moore
Year of Registration: 1845
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: West Bromwich
County: Shropshire, Staffordshire, Warwickshire, Worcestershire

And that death is right from Dianel

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
George Moore
Year of Registration: 1845
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: West Bromwich
County: Shropshire, Staffordshire, Warwickshire, Worcestershire

It adds up other than she is down as spinster doesn't it?

Possible 1841 census
Oak Road, West Bromwich
Daniel Cuttler, 50, White Smith,
Hannah(?), 50,
Daniel, 20, White Smith
William, 15, White Smith

All born in County

Next door is
John Clarke, 30, Coal Miner,
Marry, 35,
Mary, 13,
Elizabeth, 9
Not born in County

[Northern Lass]

But her name is Sarah Moore too
so down as spinster
and
Sarah Moore

So are we sayin that that 1841 is our Wm with father Daniel?
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =838956827

[gardener]

Only way I can fit it together is if her father was John Moore but her mother was Somebody Clarke and parents never married.
Or possibly her father was John Moore but he died and her mother remarried a Calrke and she took his name - only it doesn't say deceased does it for John?

PS Was this a mistake in the top post? "The marriage is alo later than the birth of the first child, Daniel." Wasn'r daniel born in the middle, or was there an earlier one who died?
"

[Northern Lass]

Or the marr doc should say John Clarke not Moore
and her mother is a Moore and married John Clarke
that one living next door to Daniel Cutler

But maybe the marriage was later so she is a Sarah Moore

SARAH CLARK
Birth: 30 NOV 1826

Christening: 26 DEC 1829 Saint Phillips, Birmingham, Warwick,
Parents:
Father: JOHN CLARK Family
Mother: MARY
Extracted birth

Possible 1841 census
Oak Road, West Bromwich
Daniel Cuttler, 50, White Smith,
Hannah(?), 50,
Daniel, 20, White Smith
William, 15, White Smith

All born in County

Next door is
John Clarke, 30, Coal Miner,
Marry, 35,
Mary, 13,
Elizabeth, 9
Not born in County

[Northern Lass]

ELIZABETH CLARKE
Birth: 10 OCT 1832

Christening: 27 DEC 1832 Saint Phillips, Birmingham, Warwick,
Parents:
Father: JOHN CLARKE
Mother: MARY ANN
Extracted birth

this is the Elizabeth on census I believe

this could be Mary

MARY CLARK
Birth: 06 DEC 1829
Christening: 29 DEC 1829 Saint Phillips, Birmingham, Warwick,
Parents:
Father: JOHN CLARK
Mother: MARY Extracted

[MarkCDodd]

PS Was this a mistake in the top post? "The marriage is alo later than the birth of the first child, Daniel." Wasn'r daniel born in the middle, or was there an earlier one who died?
"

You are right, I meant to say later than George.....

The children I have listed are

George Cutler 18/05/1846
Matilda Cutler abt 1848 (I haven't found her birth cert. There is a couple in 1841...)
William Cutler abt 1850 (Take a pick from about 6 or 7 in Worcestershire......)
Daniel Cutler 29/06/1854
Joseph Cutler 03/01/1857
Sarah Cutler 28/06/1859
Elizabeth Cutler 22 Feb 1861


The William Cutler - Sarah Moore marriage is 30/08/1846.

[gardener]

On reflection I think we are trying too hard to make this fit together.

1851 West Brom
William Cutler 26 White smith
Sarah 24
Jane 5
Sarah Anne 3
William 1

all born West Brom

Perhaps that is the couple who married?

[linell]

On reflection I think we are trying too hard to make this fit together.

1851 West Brom
William Cutler 26 White smith
Sarah 24
Jane 5
Sarah Anne 3
William 1

all born West Brom

Perhaps that is the couple who married?

Yes I think so too Kate