*Arc tbc* ---Ann Elizabeth Unknown possibly Willetts

[mumbles]

This is a strange one as Suki has baptism record at St. Giles showing Anthony Willetts as son of Thomas Jones and Ann Elizabeth Unknown:-
Birth record:-JONES Anthony W Halesowen Dudley Register Office HAL/007/86
original shows Anthony Willetts Jones
1861 Census shows Anthony W. Jones as scholar boarding at Birmingham School
and 1881 Census shows Anthony Willetts Jones
Since middle name is Willetts surely mothers name was Willetts ?

[Jimmy]

I have come across this before and in some cases it turned out to be a grandmother maiden name.

[mumbles]

You may be right Jimmy as I found more children on RR Parish records and another middle name:-
The Anthony Willetts Jones Record shows Thomas and Ann Elizabeth Jones as married and Thomas as Gentleman
19/3/1845 Albert baptised son of Thomas and Ann Elizabeth Jones , Olive House Nail Ironmonger
also Victoria daughter
also Caroline daughter
also George Adams son
1/7/1843 John baptised son of Thomas & Ann Elizabeth Jones Blackheath Nail Ironmonger
27/7/1838 Elizabeth Victoria daughter of Thomas and Ann Elizabeth Jones , Olive House Nail Ironmonger
This means entry for Anthony Willetts should be amended to Anthony Willetts Jones

[mumbles]

Found family on 1861 Census Blackheath Halesowen Stourbridge
Anne Elizabeth Jones 50 (w) born Wordsley Staffs.
Sarah Royle visitor 57 born Treasal Staffs.
Mary King 55 visitor born Treasal Staffs.
Victoria Jones dau 22
George Jones son 16
Albert King Jones son 21 Fundholder
Caroline Jones dau 19
Louisa Hodgetts serv. 57 House Servant
Caroline Timms serv. 30 born Bridgenorton , Beds.
Rest born Rowley Regis.
Also found Victoria on later census living single in Olive House

[mumbles]

Found family on 1841 Census Olive House Halesowen Stourbridge Shropshire
Thomas Jones 40 Nail Factor
Elizabeth Jones 30
Anthoney Jones 6
Blanch Jones 5
Elizabeth Jones 3
Albert King Jones 1
This means that Anthony was born in 1835 and not baptised till 1847 and other children were also baptised long after births

[mumbles]

Found 1851 Census under Janes instead of Jones :-
Olive House Halesowen Stourbridge Worcestershire
Thomas Janes 53 Justice of Peace and Nail Master b. Wombourne Staffs.
Anne E. Janes 45 born Wordsley Staffs.
Thomas Jane son 19 Nail Master born The Hill Worcs.
Elizabeth V. Janes 12 Scholar born The Hill Worcs.
Caroline Janes 8 Scholar born The Hill Worcs.
George A. Janes 6 Scholar born The Hill Worcs.
Anthony Janes 4 Scholar born The Hill Worcs.
Sarah Royal sister (w) 47 Independent & Property Various born Wombourne Staffs.
Mary Willetts King sister (w) Independent & Property Various born Wombourne Staffs.
Margaret E. Heaven serv. 24 Cook born Uley Gloucs.
Elizabeth Copperthwait serv. 20 Housemaid born Kirklington Yorks.
Sarah Mallinson serv.18 Nurse born Docaster Yorks.

NL ,Need permission to change est dob for Thomas and Anne Elizabeth and insert all this info

[Northern Lass]

Hi Mumbles
so the name is Jones for Anthony? and not Willetts?
sorry skim reading this
do we have a bapt then for him and is he regis as Jones
if so we need to change that name from Willetts to Jones

dont we?

the dob is fine and other bits to amend as you feel on this
need to just pm or email Suki too with the info as to what we are amending if she has added it.

[Northern Lass]

So it is this one
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =944808836

[mumbles]

Nl, I will amend and insert what I have found but I will research some more as this is an interesting family who lived at Olive House with servants and sent children to boarding school at Birmingham and London and two widowed sisters lived at Clu (or Clew) Hall in Wolverley in 1881 . There appear be two Anthony Jones one born 1835 and one born 1847. The Willetts seems to be a family name from Thomas Jones side of family ref. one of his sisters having middle name Willetts and King appears to be same also as one of sisters has married name King. This means no further forward in identifying surname of Ann Elizabeth Unknown other than amended dates of birth and marriage before 1830 for Thomas and Ann Elizabeth Jones

[suki]

there is a marriage 1838 18th Jan
William King coal master of Amblecote s William coal master and Mary Willetts Jones of Powke Lane d Joseph a nail iron monger wit Joseph Baiser Thomas Jones Sara Royt Eliz Jones William Royle no crosses all signed their own names
I think this ties in somewhere
In a bit of a hurry but there may be a Mary Jones with husband unknown on tribal

[suki]

another interesting marriage 18 nov 1847Thomas Smith Architect Oldswindford s Edward Farmer and Phoebe Pargeter sp Olive House Blackheath d William a farmer wit Thomas Jones William Kng Mary Smith

[mumbles]

Suki, That ties up as Thomas the son born 1832 was baptised Thomas Pargeter Jones in 1832 so Pargeter must be another family name. I have found a lot of detail about Thomas Pargeter Jones which I will enter

[mumbles]

This from National Archives shows link between Pargeter and Jones families
Bundle re: the Marriage Settlement of Phoebe Pargeter with Thomas Smith DHAR/144/26 Nov 1876


7 items

Contents:
The marriage of Phoebe Pargeter and Thomas Smith took place at Rowley Regis parish church on 18th November 1847. Bundle contains: - Draft petition for the appointment of new Trustees, to the High Court of Justice, from Thomas Pargeter Jones of Rowley Regis; Anthony Willets Jones of Olive House, Rowley Regis; Victoria Elizabeth Jones of View Field Cottage, Rowley Regis; Thomas Jarvis Hodgetts of Lyndhurst, (?) Grove, Worcestershire and Caroline his wife; Henry Skidmore, an Infant under the age of 21 years, dated 4th November 1876. - Affidavit of Samuel Pountney Smith of Shrewsbury, Salop, Architect, dated 8th November 1876. - Affidavit of Thomas Pargeter Jones of Rowley Regis, Staffordshire, Chain and Anchor Manufacturer, who was the nephew of Phoebe Smith, formerly Pargeter. Dated 10th November 1876. - Affidavit of the fitness to act as Trustee of Thomas Pargeter Jones, sworn by Charles William Collis of Stourbridge and Joseph Walker of the same place, dated 11th November 1876. - Draft affidavit verifying the signatures to consent to act as Trustees, of Caroline Brindley and Thomas Pargeter Jones, dated 11th November 1876. - Copy order re: Smith's Settlement, Chancery Division, dated 18th November 1876. - Draft consent to act as Trustee, by Thomas Pargeter Jones and Caroline Brindley, dated November 1876.


Correspondence with James Taylor, Mason & Taylor, Solicitors, London DHAR/144/27 1878-1880


51 letters

Contents:
Correspondence with James Taylor, Mason & Taylor, Solicitors, 15, Furnivals Inn, London, re: 'Edge's Mortgages' and 'Palmer's Trust'.


BOX 145 DHAR/145 1841 - 1923


Bundle re: the Estates of Mr Thomas Smith and Mrs Phoebe Smith, nee Pargeter DHAR/145/1 1841-1892


34 items

Contents:
Bundle includes: - Abstract of Title of Mr & Mrs Smith to a copyhold messuage at Wordsley, Kingswinford, known as 'The Stream'. Cites court transactions dated 20th July 1841. - Abstract of Title of the co-heiresses of William Pargeter, including Phoebe Pargeter, later Smith, to various copyhold messuages and lands at Wordsley, Kingswinford, dated 1868. - Mortgage of a messuage at Wordsley, Kingswinford, known as 'The Stream' from Mr & Mrs Thomas Smith to Mr Henry Mills, dated 24th August 1869. - Copy Admittance of the co-heiresses of William Pargeter, deceased, including Phoebe Pargeter, later Smith, to the Manor of Kingwinford, dated1869. - Draft Acts of Court, Thomas Smith and Phoebe his wife, to Henry Mills, dated 1869. - Schedule of Properties belonging to Mrs Phoebe Smith, nee Pargeter, including the house called 'The Stream' at Wordsley. - Statements of bank accounts of Mrs Phoebe Smith's Estate, 1890 - 1892. - Draft Mutual Agreement between Thomas Pargeter Jones; Thomas Jarvis Hodgetts and Miss Victoria Elizabeth Jones, re: Mrs Phoebe Smith's Estate, dated 1892. - Fines and Fees from the Court Leet, Manor of Kingswinford, re: Phoebe Smith, deceased, dated 1892. - Draft contract for the sale and purchase of Phoebe Smith's real estate, copyhold of the Manor of Kingswinford, dated 1892. - Correspondence from various correspondents about the estate of Mr & Mrs Smith.

[suki]

bap William Joseph s Thomas and Ann Eliz Jones Olive House nail iron monger 4th Nov 1833
bap Blanche Olive House 13th May 1836 both St Giles
can't find Phoebe
Have we got a marriage for Thomas Jones Gentleman of Olive House his mariage must have been a grand affair.
I have known a childs middle name to be the maiden name of his mother who died was Thomas married twice?
was his first wife - Pargeter
they seem an interesting lot shame they are not actually related to me

[mumbles]

I have found more National Archives details of papers relating to Elizabeth Jones ( born Skidmore) wife of Thomas Pargeter Jones of The Hollies Oakham Road and a marriage settlement at 1855.
Also found :-
Jan. 4th 1900 Thomas Jones (gentleman) noted as a Debtor reference a farmhouse near The Hollies Oakham near Dudley Worcs. lately residing at Churchill House , Churchill Worcs.
Various of the children have a middle name :- Adams, Pargeter, King, Willetts but cannot work out relationships yet except it is noted that Thomas Pargeter Jones is nephew of Phoebe Smith (nee Pargeter) daughter of William Pargeter.
The Pargeters were involved with glass works at Wordsley but have not found a link.
Not related to me either Suki but interesting as they were not of the background of people usually found in the Cocksheds, The Hill area but nail factors were the people who acted as agents between the Nail Factories and the people who made nails in back yards and many went on to become manufacturers themselves.