Ok done a look up for a John Thomas Payne and his marriage to Elsie Holt.
we thought he linked here to a father Thomas Payne
https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... i=88681075
I have slotted in a John Payne as son although he isnt on census....so not sure on that other than checks out as a nephew.
anyway I digress....
So the one I am after is here
https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =523365097
interesting that on look up there is a witness of a Sabrah Payne
any census
ideas ??
Problem on this Payne lot help pls ..NL
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Re: Problem on this Payne lot help pls
Joseph here https://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/t ... ver=544119
Name: Joseph Payne
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 23 Aug 1857
Baptism Place: Rowley-Regis, Stafford, England
Father:
William Payne
Mother:
Sabra Payne
FHL Film Number: 367784
Reference ID: p 339
Sarah here https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... ver=544119
SMART, SARAH COPE
GRO Reference: 1865 J Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 115
Name: Sarah Smart
Gender: Female
Age: 17
Birth Date: 1864
Marriage Date: 26 Jun 1881
Marriage Place: Dudley, Worcester, England
Father:
Daniel Smart
Spouse:
Joseph Payne Father William Payne
FHL Film Number: 378787
Reference ID: 315
1891 13 Beet Street Rowley Regis
Joseph Payne Head M 30 Nailer Born Dudley
Sarah Payne Wife M 26 Nailer Born Netherton
William Payne Son 8 Scholar Born Rowley Regis
James Payne Son 5 Born Rowley Regis
Payne Son 3 Weeks Born Rowley Regis
1901 12 Beet Street
Joseph Payne Head M 43 Iron Nail Maker Born Rowley Regis
Sarah J Payne Wife M 37 Iron Nail Maker Born Dudley
William Payne Son S 17 Carter for Nail Factor Born Rowley Regis
James Payne Son S 15 Stable boy at Factory Born Rowley Regis
Maria Payne Daur 10 Born Rowley Regis
John F Payne Son 6 Born Rowley Regis
Sabrah Payne Daur 3 Born Rowley Regis
1911 61 Tory Street Blackheath
Joseph Payne Head 53 Married Boiler hand in Nut&Blot works born Rowley Regis
Sarah Jane Payne Wife 48 Married born Netherton
John Payne Son 16 Single Labourer in Nut&Bolt works Born Blackheath
Sabrah Payne Daur 13 Single born Blackheath
Married 29 Years 7 Children 5 Living 2 Died
PAYNE, DANIEL SMART
GRO Reference: 1882 M Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 18
Deaths Mar 1883
PAYNE Daniel 1 Dudley 6c 2
PAYNE, WILLIAM SMART
GRO Reference: 1883 S Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 1
PAYNE, JAMES SMART
GRO Reference: 1886 M Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 20
PAYNE, MARIA SMART
GRO Reference: 1889 M Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 1
Deaths Jun 1890
Payne Maria 1 Dudley 6c 5
PAYNE, MARIA SMART
GRO Reference: 1891 J Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 7
PAYNE, JOHN THOMAS SMART
GRO Reference: 1894 D Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 6
PAYNE, SABINA SMART
GRO Reference: 1897 S Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 17
Name: Joseph Payne
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 23 Aug 1857
Baptism Place: Rowley-Regis, Stafford, England
Father:
William Payne
Mother:
Sabra Payne
FHL Film Number: 367784
Reference ID: p 339
Sarah here https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... ver=544119
SMART, SARAH COPE
GRO Reference: 1865 J Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 115
Name: Sarah Smart
Gender: Female
Age: 17
Birth Date: 1864
Marriage Date: 26 Jun 1881
Marriage Place: Dudley, Worcester, England
Father:
Daniel Smart
Spouse:
Joseph Payne Father William Payne
FHL Film Number: 378787
Reference ID: 315
1891 13 Beet Street Rowley Regis
Joseph Payne Head M 30 Nailer Born Dudley
Sarah Payne Wife M 26 Nailer Born Netherton
William Payne Son 8 Scholar Born Rowley Regis
James Payne Son 5 Born Rowley Regis
Payne Son 3 Weeks Born Rowley Regis
1901 12 Beet Street
Joseph Payne Head M 43 Iron Nail Maker Born Rowley Regis
Sarah J Payne Wife M 37 Iron Nail Maker Born Dudley
William Payne Son S 17 Carter for Nail Factor Born Rowley Regis
James Payne Son S 15 Stable boy at Factory Born Rowley Regis
Maria Payne Daur 10 Born Rowley Regis
John F Payne Son 6 Born Rowley Regis
Sabrah Payne Daur 3 Born Rowley Regis
1911 61 Tory Street Blackheath
Joseph Payne Head 53 Married Boiler hand in Nut&Blot works born Rowley Regis
Sarah Jane Payne Wife 48 Married born Netherton
John Payne Son 16 Single Labourer in Nut&Bolt works Born Blackheath
Sabrah Payne Daur 13 Single born Blackheath
Married 29 Years 7 Children 5 Living 2 Died
PAYNE, DANIEL SMART
GRO Reference: 1882 M Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 18
Deaths Mar 1883
PAYNE Daniel 1 Dudley 6c 2
PAYNE, WILLIAM SMART
GRO Reference: 1883 S Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 1
PAYNE, JAMES SMART
GRO Reference: 1886 M Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 20
PAYNE, MARIA SMART
GRO Reference: 1889 M Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 1
Deaths Jun 1890
Payne Maria 1 Dudley 6c 5
PAYNE, MARIA SMART
GRO Reference: 1891 J Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 7
PAYNE, JOHN THOMAS SMART
GRO Reference: 1894 D Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 6
PAYNE, SABINA SMART
GRO Reference: 1897 S Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 17
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Re: Problem on this Payne lot help pls
thanks will work thru
so we had it wrong with the Jones one then...oh well
so we had it wrong with the Jones one then...oh well

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Re: Problem on this Payne lot help pls ..NL
Looks really good thanks Kdw
Completed with thanks will now arc.
Completed with thanks will now arc.