James Bate wife Mary unknown and kids...Query

[Northern Lass]

Trying to find marriage for a William Bate and mary...
but can only find Arthur Bate and Mary

William Bate and mary here....
https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... i=87716574

I think he is Arthur Bate here with father James Bate and Mary.
https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =310310679

1841. Delph, Kingswinford.
James Bates 35. B Maker.
Mary Bates 33.
John Bates 5.
Richd Bates 4.
Joseph Bates 2.
James Bates 8 MO.

1851. Thorns, Kingswinford.
James Bate 45. Brick maker.
Mary Bate 42.
John Bate 15. Brick maker.
Richard Bate 13. Chainmaker.
Joseph Bate 11. Chainmaker.
James Bate 9.
Alfred Bate 7.
Arthur Bate 5.
Ammaria Bate 3.
George Bate 2.
All born Kingswinford.

1861 Brieley Hill, Kingswinford
James Bate 55 H M Brickmaker
Mary Bate 54 W M
Richard Bate 23 son
James Bate 18son
Alfred Bate 16 son
Arthur Bate 14 son
Ann M Bate 13 dau
George Bate 11 son
Henry Bate 9 son
Mary A Bate 7 dau
All Borm Kingswinford

poss mar tbc
Worcestershire Oldswinford St Mary
Marriage date 30 Jun 1833
James BATE - bachelor
Mary BENNETT- spinster
Witness1 William BATE
Witness2 Milberry? BATE
Notes Bride, witness 2 sign x

This is I think Arthur/William in 1901..


1901 Brettle Lane Brierley Hill
William Baks Head M 57 Brickmaker Born Sedgley (Bates on Image )
Mary Baks Wife M 54 Furniture Dealer Born Stambermill
Ann Maria Pearson Daur M 25 Born Lye
William Baks Son S 20 Brickmaker Born Himley
James Baks Son S 16 Errand Boy Born Delph
Henry Pearson Son in Law M 34 Bricklayer Born The Thornes
Henry Pearson Grandson 5 Born Brettle Lane
Elizabeth Pearson Grand daur 4 Born Brettle Lane
May Pearson Grand Daur 2 Born Brettle Lane
Marie Pearson Grand Daur 1 Born Brettle Lane

1911 1 Brettell Lane, Brierley Hill
Mary Bates Head 64 Widow Furniture Dealer Born Stambermill (Married 4? Years 9 Children 5 Living 4 Died Blanked out )
James Bates Son 26 Single Furniture Assistant Born Delph
Elizabeth Praison Servant 15 Born Brettle Lane
Henry Praison Lodger 45 Married Bricklayer Born Thorns
Ann Maria Praison Pearsons Wife 35 Married Born Lye (Married 17 Years 9 Children 8 Living 1 Died)
William H Praison Pearsons Son16 Single Chain Horse Lad Born Brettle Lane
May Praison Duaghter 13 Born Brettle Lane
Maud Praison Daughter 12 School Born Brettle Lane
Alia Praison Daughter 10 School Born Brettle Lane
George Praison Son 4 Born Brettle Lane
Arthur W Praison Son 5 Born Brettle Lane
Gertrude Praison Daughter 2 Born Brettle Lane
David Gill Lodger 66 Married Labourer Born Lye
Mary Gill Lodger 64 Married Born Delph (Married 45 Years 5 Children 1 Living 4 Died)
Arthur Gill Lodger 22 Single Labourer Born Delph


Old Hill
Holy Trinity
Other Transcript
Register entry number 211
Marriage date 23 Jul 1894
Henry PEARSON 27 bachelor bricklayer Lawrence Lane Elijah PEARSON bricklayer
Maria BATE 20 spinster Lawrence Lane William BATE brick maker
Witness 1 Noah HOWELL
Witness 2 Mary BAYLISS


Mary who marries William /Arthur....think she is a Westwood

I think this is Ann Maria the dau but not sure
BATE, ANN MARIA WESTWOOD
GRO Reference: 1876 D Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 215

and I think William son BATE, WILLIAM HENRY WESTWOOD
GRO Reference: 1881 M Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 226

BATE, JAMES HENRY CREESE WESTWOOD
GRO Reference: 1886 M Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 222 ???

the name Cresse is there as in the marriage below...

[Northern Lass]

This is weird.... I think this is her...but husband is Arthur

1868 bmsgh
WESTWOOD Mary BATE Arthur H C 1868 Amblecote, Holy Trinity Dudley Register Office 015/002/266

Free reg.
Staffordshire Amblecote Holy Trinity
15 Mar 1868
Arthur Henry Creese BATE- age 20- bachelor- occupation Brick Maker- abode Amblecote- father James BATE- father occupation Brick Maker
Mary WESTWOOD- age 19- spinster- abode Amblecote- father Isaac WESTWOOD- father occupation Clay Miner
Witness1 Alfred BATE
Witness2 Maria BATE
Notes Groom, Bride & Witnesses sign X

https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =476667576

[Northern Lass]

And I think Arthur is this one on Bcc
https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =348602631

so is William Arthur?
or does Arthur change name to William?

any ideas

[Northern Lass]

1908 death bmsgh
Surname Forename(s) Year Sub-District Registers At Reference Add to Summary
BATE Arthur H C 1908 Kingswinford Dudley Register Office KIN/103/310

cant see birth for this arthur.

[Northern Lass]

need earlier census for this family pls
1881 1891

[Northern Lass]

I think this is James Bate and Mary unknowns marr....
Worcestershire Oldswinford St Mary
Marriage date 30 Jun 1833
James BATE - bachelor
Mary BENNETT- spinster
Witness1 William BATE
Witness2 Milberry? BATE
Notes Bride, witness 2 sign x

[Northern Lass]

BATES, ALFRED BENNETT
GRO Reference: 1842 J Quarter in STOURBRIDGE UNION Volume 18 Page 492...but age is out was expecting about 1843/44

BATE, ANN MARIA BARTLETT
GRO Reference: 1847 J Quarter in STOURBRIDGE UNION Volume 18 Page 465 ??

BATES, JOSEPH WILLIAM BARTLETT
GRO Reference: 1839 M Quarter in STOURBRIDGE UNION Volume 18 Page 447 ??

BATE, GEORGE JAMES BARRATT
GRO Reference: 1848 J Quarter in STOURBRIDGE UNION Volume 18 Page 526 ???

[Northern Lass]

Totally stuck on this

Summary..
James Bate b 1806 marries a Mary ...I think a Bennett or Bartlett....
poss mar tbc
Worcestershire Oldswinford St Mary
Marriage date 30 Jun 1833
James BATE - bachelor
Mary BENNETT- spinster
Witness1 William BATE
Witness2 Milberry? BATE
Notes Bride, witness 2 sign x

struggling to find kids for a bennett...found one posted above rest bartlett??

I think Arthur is an Arthur H. Creese who maybe takes name William and Marries I think Mary Westwood.
mar. prev posted...
1908 death bmsgh
Surname Forename(s) Year Sub-District Registers At Reference Add to Summary
BATE Arthur H C 1908 Kingswinford Dudley Register Office KIN/103/310


but to be honest I really am not sure but would like to crack it.

[kdwoodie]

I am totally lost

[Northern Lass]

I know it is baffling
is it the way I have explained if so will try and split thread.

[kdwoodie]

1891 19 Delph Kingswinford
William Bate Head M 41 Bricklayer Born Gornal
Mary Bate Wife M 42 Born Stambermill
Elizabeth Bate Daur S 21 Bornn Lye
Ada M Bate Daur 14 Born Lye Is this Ann Maria ?
William Bate Son 10 Born Himley
James Bate Son 18 Born Brierley Hill

[kdwoodie]

1871 Dudley Road Lye
William Bate Head Mar ?Brick Maker Born Stourbridge
Mary Bate Wife M ? Brick Finisher Born Stourbridge
Elizabeth Bate Daur 2 Born Stourbridge

[Northern Lass]

This gets worse...
tried to look for Elizabeth got ...
BATE, ELIZABETH HOMER
GRO Reference: 1868 S Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 213

and
BATE, ELIZABETH HARPER
GRO Reference: 1868 S Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 160

[kdwoodie]

nothing at all in 1881

[kdwoodie]

BATE, MARY ELIZABETH WESTWOOD
GRO Reference: 1869 S Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 164