Ok figure this out guys

[Northern Lass]

Right have done look up for JOhn Thomas Payne who marries Doris Ellen Harper
we thought father for JOhn was a Thomas ....but on marriage it is deffo a JOhn Payne...
https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =709449901

We thought that this was him in 1911 and it all checked out with the Jones as mother if he is nephew here
1911 46 Somers Road Halesowen
David Parsons Head 75 Married Labourer General Born Rowley
Elizabeth ParsonsWife 72 Married Born Harriston
John Payne Nephew 21 Single Engineer Fitter Born Halesowen

but it cant be right if father is John not Thomas

and another thing....the one here
PAYNE, JOHN JONES
GRO Reference: 1890 J Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 152
is a John Payne not John Thomas Payne
and on census in 1911 it is a John ....not John Thomas

the only thing that is a pain!! is on 1911 he is an engineer fitter....and marriage motor driver....suppose we thought linked.

on marriage father John is a road man
not the same as this one who is shopkeeper
1911 Woodgate Quinton
Thomas Payne Head 61 Married Grocer Born Quinton
Emma Payne Wife 50 Married Born Hunnington
Jane Payne Daur 37 Single Born Halesowen
George Stanley Payne Son 16 Single Moulder Born Woodgate
Wallace Payne Son 14 Born Woodgate
Mary Ann Powell Relative 44 Single Born Hunnington

so I think we have it wrong.

[kdwoodie]

His parents have to be John and Lucy they are in Bloomfield Street in 1911

1911 Census: Bloomfield Rd.Hawne,Halesowen.
John PAYNE hd.49 Frost Stud Maker b.Blackheath.
Lucy PAYNE wife 50 marr: 27 yrs. b.Halesowen.
Lucy PAYNE dau.25 b.Hawne.
Alice PAYNE dau,22 Button Polisher b.Hawne.
Thomas PAYNE son 20 Picklers Lab. b.Hawne.
Florrie PAYNE dau,18 Silver Nickling b.Hawne.
May PAYNE dau.9 b.Hawne.
Lily PAYNE dau.3 b.Hawne.
10 children born. 6 living. 4 died.

In 1939 he has the birth date of 20 Jun 1890

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/520 ... omas-payne

[kdwoodie]

1939 John Snr is living with daughter Lily and her husband Samuel Hackett he is a retired Council labourer, so he could have been a road man when John Jr married.

Is John "Thomas" in 1911 ?

John Thomas who married Elsie is with the wrong parents he has to be the son of Thomas and Jane Jones

The John Thomas with wife Lily is correct, and they are alive in 39

I think the marriage for John and Elsie needs looking up.

[Northern Lass]

Just amending now

dumping this stuff I am deleting from notes so we dont loose it
PAYNE, JOHN JONES
GRO Reference: 1890 J Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 152

1911 46 Somers Road Halesowen
David Parsons Head 75 Married Labourer General Born Rowley
Elizabeth ParsonsWife 72 Married Born Harriston
<b>John Payne Nephew 21 Single Engineer Fitter Born Halesowen</b>
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PAYNE, JOHN THOMAS WESTON
GRO Reference: 1890 S Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 149

[Northern Lass]

Can you have a look at this one
I will look up marriage but what else on this needs to be amended ...doesnt feel right.
https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =211137156
is it saying in the military stuff father is a John?


and then this one ....does it now look right.
https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =278330791

[kdwoodie]

John payne 1.PNG (216.37 KiB) Viewed 453 times

It only names Elsie.


Doris's date of death is wrong
Doris Ellen Payne
BIRTH unknown
DEATH 27 Sep 1991
BURIAL
All Saints Churchyard
Great Ashfield, Mid Suffolk District, Suffolk, England
Gravesite Details Wife of John Thomas who died 1972.

[Northern Lass]

Amended that .

[kdwoodie]

Until we have that marriage don't see that we can do much more with this.

[Northern Lass]

Ok will arc pending look up.