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[color=#000080] Hello All - I hope you're well and staying safe

I am completely, totally, brand-spanking new to Geneaology and I'm hoping to learn lots from you guys.

I'm from Newcastle upon Tyne and I've started looking for the Maternal side of the fam for my Mum; I don't have any relatives left past my Mum so I've got no-one to ask or grill about the relatives.

I located who I believe to be my Mum's Grandparents but having ordered their wedding certificate I'm a bit perplexed. It doesn't name the church which I was thinking it should - we're only going back to 1911 here - and the witnesses appear to be different to the names I was expecting from the Ancestry entry. Does this mean they're not the droids I'm looking for? Oops, I mean are they not the people I'm looking for?

There's 4 names in the Ancestry entry so excluding the newlyweds I'm presuming the other 2 are the witnesses?

Many thanks,
Murphilator[/color]

Hi Murphilator, Welcome to the forum

Murphilator wrote:Hello All -

There's 4 names in the Ancestry entry so excluding the newlyweds I'm presuming the other 2 are the witnesses?

Many thanks,
Murphilator

Hi and welcome!

Someone will probably move this to a different bit of the site because the powers-that-be like to keep welcomes and questions seperate!

But, ignoring that for now...

when you say the Ancestry entry, do you mean the index entry where you found the marriage in 1911, and then you sent off for the certificate?

For wedding earlier than 1912 the index shows the surnames of two couples, in a block of four because two marriages were entered on each page of the registry. So my guess is that the other two names are for the other couple who got married around the same time.

From 1912 onwards they link the bride and groom together in the index, but before that you can't actually tell who married who just from the index. And some earlier records have up to 4 couples per page!

I'm not sure what you mean by "It doesn't name the church which I was thinking it should". No church would be named if it was a registry office marriage. But do you mean that it is a different, unexpected church?

I don't know where you are starting from. You have your mother's birth details? So have her parents' names and her father's occupation? The marriage certificate matches that?

moved to Gen Discussion.

Do you want to post the info you have and we can have a look?

Byker parish church is St Michael. Google is quite useful for looking these things up. Family search has quite a bit of info on it https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/By ... _Genealogy

Hi

Yes, I had never really thought about it, but marriage certificates often just say Parish Church rather than the proper name for the church. And when I was a kid that was how the local churches were referred to. I think Catholic churches tend to get their full name though, and probably churches in urban situations where it might not be clear otherwise.

Byker seems to have begun as part of Newcastle All Saints https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/NBL/N ... /AllSaints and St Michael and All Angels was also known as the Parish Church according to this: http://www.stmartinsbyker.co.uk/st-martins-history.php

Does that make sense?

I still don't understand what you mean by

their names don't match the other 2 names on the entry on ancestry.co.uk.

What entry is that?

It is like I explained above. The marriage index has two marriages on the same page. So these extra names are the couple married before or after your pair, and so nothing to do with the marriage in the certificate you bought

FreeBMD shows all of the index entries for that page:

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1911 (>99%)
Edwards Williamina Newcastle T 10b 41 Scan available - click to view
Foster Thomas Newcastle T. 10b 41 Scan available - click to view
Johnson Edward Newcastle upon Tyne 10b 41 Scan available - click to view
SIMPSON Matilda Newcastle T. 10b 41 Scan available - click to view

gardener wrote:It is like I explained above. The marriage index has two marriages on the same page. So these extra names are the couple married before or after your pair, and so nothing to do with the marriage in the certificate you bought

Thank you - I'm sure I'll get the hang of this - have a safe and great weekend

SRD wrote:FreeBMD shows all of the index entries for that page:

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1911 (>99%)
Edwards Williamina Newcastle T 10b 41 Scan available - click to view
Foster Thomas Newcastle T. 10b 41 Scan available - click to view
Johnson Edward Newcastle upon Tyne 10b 41 Scan available - click to view
SIMPSON Matilda Newcastle T. 10b 41 Scan available - click to view

Thank you - have a safe and great weekend

Northern Lass wrote:moved to Gen Discussion.

Do you want to post the info you have and we can have a look?

Thank you