Completed William Cummings @1821

[mjay]

Mary Ann Hannah Cummings born 8/05/1851 • St Luke, London, England, United Kingdom
DEATH 19/01/1925 • Bilston, England, United Kingdom

https://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/t ... ver=497082

Parents
William cummings @1821
Jane Spencer @1821
Marriage
25 Apr 1848 • Shoreditch St Leonard, England

I think I've found another daughter Jane Cummings 1850 St Lukes, Middlesex, England
Son George 1844 born Gloucester ??

Help please to confirm the above & any census

Thanks Mandy

[kdwoodie]

Marriage
St. Leonard Shoreditch
25 April 1848
William Cummings Full Bachelor Plumber ? Shipland Road ? Father Alexander Cummings Stone Mason
Jane Spencer Full Spinster Servant Shiplake Road ? Father William Spencer Shoemaker
Witness 1 Thomas ?
Witness 2 Jane Campbell
All signed William signed William Commings


Not sure if this is Mary in 1861
Bordesley Street Birmingham
John Hanley Head Mar 36 Butcher Born London St. Lukes
Jane Hanley Wife Mar 35 Born Whitechapel
Jane Hanley Daur U 11Born St. Lukes
Mary A H Hanley Daur 9 [Mary A H Cummings] Born St. Lukes
Sarah M Hanley Daur 3 [ Sarah M Cummings] Born Shoreditch
John Hanley Son 1 Born Birmingham
James Clark Visitor Mar 59 Hawker of ? Baskets Born Ireland
Martha Clark Visitor Mar 50 Born Stock ford Chesire

Marriages Jun 1857   
Cummings Jane  Bethnal Gn 1c 584  
Hanley John  Bethnal Gn. 1c 584
St Matthew, Bethnal Green
20 April 1857
John Hanley Full Widower Butcher 17 Club Row Father John Hanley Farmer
Jane Cummings Full Widow 17 Club Row Father William Spencer Shoemaker
Witness 1 G Skelton signed
Witness 2 Ann Ellis signed
John and Jane marked X

CUMMINGS, JANE    SPENCER  GRO Reference: 1849  J Quarter in SAINT LUKE MIDDLESEX  Volume 02  Page 325
CUMMINGS, JANE    SPENCER  GRO Reference: 1849  J Quarter in SAINT LUKE MIDDLESEX  Volume 02  Page 329

CUMMINGS, MARY  ANN HANNAH SPENCER  GRO Reference: 1851  J Quarter in SAINT LUKE MIDDLESEX  Volume 02  Page 324
Baptism
St. Thomas Charterhouse
25 May 1851
Mary Ann Hannah Cummings
William and Jane
13 Bell Alley
Williams Occupation Painter ( Deceased)

HANDLEY, SARAH  MARTHA  CUMMINGS  GRO Reference: 1858  M Quarter in SHOREDITCH  Volume 01C  Page 153

HANLEY, JOHN    SPENCER  GRO Reference: 1860  M Quarter in BIRMINGHAM  Volume 06D  Page 77

There is a baptism for Sarah Martha Hanley 28 Feb 1858 Middlesex parents John and Jane John's Occupation Butcher

[mjay]

Thanks KD

I searched again today on here and found this previous help from grangers on Mary Ann Hannah Cummings

viewtopic.php?f=27&t=11612&p=136105&hilit=Mary+cummings&sid=cc59e65fdd5fad591abee205017b7e02#p136105

Am I right that it looks like William father died before her birth
& Mother Jane has remarried

[kdwoodie]

Looks as though he did die but the only death i can find is this and age is wrong
CUMMINGS, WILLIAM 64
GRO Reference: 1850 S Quarter in EAST LONDON UNION Volume 02 Page 130

[mjay]

Thanks for looking, strange eh, age is way off isn't it
Am I on the right path though that William & Jane were born in Gloucestershire ??

[kdwoodie]

Don't know about Gloucestershire.

Just noticed that on Janes marriage to William a witness is Jane Campbell.

Graingers found this
1851. Bell Alley, Whitecross Street,
William Cummins, head, 30, Painter, Trimdon, Durham
Jane, wife, 24, Whitechapel
Jane, daur, 1, St lukes
Pamila Campbell, in law mother , W, 61, Charwoman, Stockley Yorks
Jane Wiltshire, her daur, Mar, 22, servant out of place, Stockton on Tees, Durham

Who is Pamela ?

This is so confusing

[mjay]

Its not just me then, it is very confusing
William was a plumber on his marriage cert
1851 census & daughter Mary's birth he's a painter ??

[mjay]

This looks like our William Cummings
Gender: Male
Age: 30
Birth Date: 1821
Burial Date: 15 May 1851
Burial Place: Saint Luke, Middlesex, England

[kdwoodie]

The image for William and Janes Marriage is on Ancestry, Can someone have a look and see what they think please.

Snap
Death
CUMMINS, WILLIAM 30
GRO Reference: 1851 J Quarter in SAINT LUKE MIDDLESEX Volume 02 Page 221

Name: William Cummings (Image has Address as Bell Alley )
Age: 30
Record Type: Burial
Birth Date: abt 1821
Death Date: abt 1851
Burial Date: 15 May 1851
Burial Place: St Luke, Finsbury, Islington, England
Register Type: Parish Register

[kdwoodie]

Freereg
Durham
Place Trimdon
Church name St Mary Magdalen
Register type Bishop's Transcripts
Baptism date 27 Feb 1822
Person forename William
Person sex M
Mother forename Pamela
Mother surname CUMMINGS
Person abode Trimdon
Notes Mother's occupation Spinster

[mjay]

Bell Alley also on
CUMMINGS, MARY ANN HANNAH SPENCER GRO Reference: 1851 J Quarter in SAINT LUKE MIDDLESEX Volume 02 Page 324
Baptism
St. Thomas Charterhouse
25 May 1851
Mary Ann Hannah Cummings
William and Jane
13 Bell Alley
Williams Occupation Painter ( Deceased)

[kdwoodie]

Freereg
Trimdon
Church name St Mary Magdalen
Register type Bishop's Transcripts
Register entry number 17
Marriage date 10 Feb 1823
Groom forename Alexander
Groom surname CAMPBELL
Groom parish Kelloe
Groom condition bachelor
Bride forename Pamela
Bride surname CUMMINGS
Bride parish Trimdon
Bride condition spinster
Witness1 William GATES
Witness2 John CHATER
Notes By banns.

[mjay]

Tried to add image and also send you a message of marriage cert but it won't let me

Marriage
St. Leonard Shoreditch
25 April 1848
William Cummings Full Bachelor Plumber ? Shipland Road ? Father Alexander Cummings Stone Mason
Jane Spencer Full Spinster Servant Shiplake Road ? Father William Spencer Shoemaker
Witness 1 Thomas ?
Witness 2 Jane Campbell
All signed William signed William Commings

[mjay]

Thanks for all this info
Great so we now have Pamela as William's mother

[kdwoodie]

1841 Kingsland Road St Leonard Shoreditch
Permilla Campbell 35 Charwoman Not born in County
William Campbell 15 M S Not born in County