*ARC TBC* Ernest Harold H Shaw...Jo sorting

[BC Wench]

Can we find anything else on Ernest please. Here in photo gallery.

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Death: Jun Qtr 1957 Dudley Reg Dist
Ernest H SHAW - 59yrs

Thanks.

[kdwoodie]

Marriages Sep 1884
Peters Mary Ann Birmingham 6d 3
Shaw Samuel Birmingham 6d 3

SHAW, ERNEST  HAROLD  PETERS  GRO Reference: 1897  S Quarter in BIRMINGHAM  Volume 06D  Page 197

1901 56 19th H Aston Manor
Samuel Shaw Head M 37 Sealer? at Glass works
Mary A Shaw Wife M 36
Samuel A Shaw Son S 16 Groom Coachman Not Domestic
William Shaw Son S 14 Labourer at Glass Works
Wallace Shaw Son 6
Ernest H Shaw Son 3 Deaf and Dumb
Lily M Shaw Daur 1
Annie Shaw Daur 13
All born Birmingham

1911 7 Back 10 Temple Place Goode St
Head Samuel Show Head Married 47 Coal Heaver Factory
Mary Show Wife Married 47
Wallace Show Son Single 16 Labourer Button Factory
Voilet Show Daur 5
Alice Show Daur 8/12
Ernest Horald Show Son 14 Edgbaston Deaf and Dumb School
All born Birmingham

Also this for 1911
Name: Ernest Shaw
Age in 1911: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1898
Relation to Head: Pupil
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Birmingham, Warwickshire
Civil Parish: Harborne and Edgbaston
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England
Street address: The Royal Institution For Deaf and Dumb Children, Church Road, Edgbaston
Occupation: School
Registration district: Kings Norton

1939 3 Pedmore Road Dudley
Ernest M Shaw(Ernest H Shaw ) Married 26 Jul 1897 Gas Stove Polisher (Heavy Work)
Sophia D Shaw Married 30 May 1894 Brickwheeler & Carrier (Heavy Work)
This record is officially closed.
Mary E Shaw [Mary E Fryer] Single 12 Mar 1928 At School

I cannot find a marriage

[BC Wench]

Brilliant Kay, thanks very much.

I've added this possible marriage

Possible Marriage: 1936 St Augustine, Holly Hall, Dudley, Worcs - Ref No: 200/005/93
Ernest H Shaw & Sophia Lilley

Connected up here

https://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/t ... ver=491876

[rockyfowler]

Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Year Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
SHAW Ernest E WITHEY Eliza S 1920 Tipton, St Martin (Pepper Box) Sandwell Register Office 39/21/339


3 Aug 1936 St Augustine Holly Hall
Ernest Harold SHAW 39 W Stove Worker 9 Wiggin`s Yard Hart`s Hill Father Ernest Shaw (Dec) Stove Worker
Sophia LILLEY 42 S Brick Worker 9 Wiggin`s Yard Father William Henry Lilley Retired
Wit; L,Jordan / J.H. Withey/ W.C. Lees

WILLIAM J SHAW
Jan 1923
Mother's maiden name Withey
District West Bromwich
County Staffordshire
Country England
Volume 6B
Page 1475

ERNEST E SHAW
Jan 1926
Mother's maiden name Withey
District West Bromwich
County Staffordshire
Country England
Volume 6B
Page 1304

[grangers14]

Should Sophia be W RF? As fathers surname different?

Father of Ernest is that not Samuel?

[rockyfowler]

Def as above Sophia Lilley`s dad was Lilley she was a spinster

Birmingham Hockley All Saints

13 Jul 1884 Samuel SHAW 20 B Labourer 27 Devonshire Street Father John Shaw Puddler Mary Ann Peters 20 S Nut & Bolt Worker 278 Park Road Father Samuel Peters Carter After Banns The X Of Samuel Mary Signed Wit; Isaiah Jones X / Catherine X

[rockyfowler]

On the headstone it says husband of Daisy

[grangers14]

I presume D could possibly be Daisy as in 1939?

On BCC we have Father down as Samuel...

[rockyfowler]

That Brummie family (Deaf Ernest) are a red herring did deaf people makes stoves? nothing to do with the dudley family buried in Dudley Just a thought

[BC Wench]

I agree that Ernest the brummie is a red herring. So, what about this

Marriage: 3 Aug 1936 St Augustine, Holly Hall, Dudley
Ernest Harold SHAW, 39, Wid, Stove Worker, 9 Wiggin`s Yard Hart`s Hill, Ernest Shaw (Dec), Stove Worker 1897
Sophia LILLEY, 42, S, Brick Worker, 9 Wiggin`s Yard, William Henry Lilley, Retired 1894
Wit; L. Jordan / J.H. Withey/ W.C. Lees

1939 Register: 3 Pedmore Road, Dudley, Worcs
Ernest M Shaw(Ernest H Shaw), Married, 26 Jul 1897, Gas Stove Polisher (Heavy Work)
Sophia D Shaw, Married, 30 May 1894, Brickwheeler & Carrier (Heavy Work) Is D for Daisy a nickname?
This record is officially closed.
Mary E Shaw [Mary E Fryer], Single, 12 Mar 1928, At School

Marriage: 14 Jan 1894 St Andrew, Netherton, Dudley, Worcs (FreeREG)
William Lilley, 26, B, Pipe Moulder, Woodside, Benjamin Lilley, Pipe Moulder
Emily Evans, 26, S, Woodside, George Evans, Miner
Wit: Richard Coakes, Sarah Lilley

1901 Census: 10 Vine Street, Woodside, Dudley
William Lilley, Head.Mar, 33, Pig Iron Pipe Moulder, Woodside
Emily Lilley, Wife, 33, Ketley, Salop
Sophia Lilley, Dau, 6, Low Town 1895
George W Lilley, Son, 4, Ilkeston, Derbys 1897

1911 Census: 58 Wallows St., Round Oak, Brierley Hill
William H Lilley, Head.Mar, 43, Pipe Moulder/Iron Foundry, Woodside
Emily Lilley, Wife, 43, Kingswinford Married: 17yrs 7 Children 5 Living 2 Died
Sophia Lilley, Dau.S, 16, Dress Maker, Low Town
George William Lilley, Son, 14, Taker in at Glassworks, Frog? Raw?, Derbys
James Arthur Lilley, Son, 9, Vine St. Harts Hill 1902
Sidney Harold Lilley, Son, 2, Woodside, Dudley 1909
Florance Lilley, Dau, 3mths, Wallows St., Round Oak 1911

LILLY, SOPHIA EVANS
GRO Reference: 1894 J Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 134

LILLEY, GEORGE WILLIAM EVANS
GRO Reference: 1896 S Quarter in BASFORD Volume 07B Page 165

LILLY, JAMES ARTHUR EVANS
GRO Reference: 1901 D Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 128

LILLEY, SYDNEY HAROLD EVANS
GRO Reference: 1908 D Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 91

LILLEY, FLORENCE EVANS
GRO Reference: 1911 M Quarter in STOURBRIDGE Volume 06C Page 176

1939 Register: 76 Bryce Road, Brierley Hill
William Lilley, 14 Dec 1867, Iron Moulder (Ret), Married
Emily Lilley, 11 Dec 1867, Unpaid Domestic Duties, Married

Sophia's sister Florence marries James H Withey, he was witness at the marriage of Sophia & Ernest Harold Shaw.

Marriage: 1934 St Michael, Brierley Hill, Staffs - Ref No: 210/011/82
James H Withey & Florrie Lilley

1939 Register: 56 Oak Park Road, Brierley Hill, Staffs
James (E) Withy (Withey), 19 Dec 1912, Labourer, Married
Florrie Withey, 31 Dec 1910, Housewife, Married
Margaret Jessica Withey (Raybould), 5 Apr 1935, Under school age
Harveen (J) Withey (Humphries, 11 Apr 1937, Under school age

Ernest Harold Shaw was a Widow on his marriage to Sophia Lilley, so who was he previously married to?

[grangers14]

I'm with you on that, possible connecting to this Lilley family
https://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/t ... ver=492102

What is bugging me on the headstone there is also another H?

[BC Wench]

Yes there is Jo

[grangers14]

1939 has a Mary E Shaw 1928 so before marriage to Sophia.

??
West Midlands Birth indexes for the years: 1928
SHAW Mary E 1928 Halesowen Dudley Register Office HAL/113/272

Can't see maiden name of mother that would help finding previous marriage?

[BC Wench]

I found this.

1939 Register

????Births Jun 1928
Shaw Mary E Tromans Stourbridge 6c 16

Marriage: 1948 Dudley Register Office - Ref No: DRO/11A/112
Alfred C Fryer & Mary E Shaw

[kdwoodie]

Been looking at this possibility

Births Jun 1928
Shaw Mary E Dukes Birmingham S. 6d 284

Births Sep 1934
Shaw Phyllis Dukes Birmingham 6d 709

West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1922
SHAW Ernest DUKES Ethel M 1922 Dudley, St Andrew Dudley Register Office 205/015/289

1911 19 Hadley's Fold, Darby End, Netherton, Dudley, Worcestershire
Mark Dukes Head 40 Married Iron Moulder Born Hadleys Fold
Ellen Dukes Wife 40 Married Nail Maker Born Netherton
Wilfred Dukes Son 17 Single Bricklayer Born Netherton
John Dukes Son 14 Office Clerk Born Netherton
May Dukes Daur 12 School Born Netherton (Deaf and Dumb from 3 years of age )
William A Dukes Son 8 School BORN Netherton

DUKES, ETHEL MAY NOCK
GRO Reference: 1898 D Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 97

Possible Death
Deaths Sep 1934
Shaw May E 35 Birmingham 6d 430
Did she die in child birth ?

Possible Death for Sophia
Deaths Dec 1961
SHAW Sophia 67 Rowley R. 9b 268

It's a pity you can't see the bottom of Headstone photo i think it has the death for Daisy