Appreciate some help

[Katykat]

I have Maria Pugh ( 1799) married Thomas Sherwood in 1819 in Shrewsbury. I cant find any children until George born 1832 ( he is my ancester) Thomas died in 1841. In 1861, Maria is at George's house for the census, I think because George's wife had just given birth. Maria is now called Maria Bourne, wife of an innkeeper. By 1871, she is listed again as a widow. I cant find any record of a marriage to Mr Bourne, or of his name. Ive even looked through all the Bournes on the 1861 census in Shropshire but nothing maches. He probably has a public house.

[BC Wench]

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From FreeBMD

Marriages Dec 1841
BOURNE John Shrewsbury 18 217
JONES David Shrewsbury 18 217
JONES Letitia Shrewsbury 18 217
LEE Martha Shrewsbury 18 217
SHERWOOD Maria Shrewsbury 18 217
TITLEY Thomas Shrewsbury 18 217

[gardener]

Hi

The 1851 has her without her husband too

Oakengates
Maria Bourne mar 54 beer seller Lutwich
George Sherwood 19 son to the last head Wombridge
Thomas Baugh 4 visitor grandson Wombridge
Emma Guy 12 servant

and there is an interesting possible birth for the grandson

BAUGH, THOMAS SHERWOOD SHERWOOD
GRO Reference: 1846 D Quarter in WELLINGTON (SALOP) UNION Volume 18 Page 188

and

Marriages Dec 1845
Ball Joseph Shifnal 18 220
BAUGH Joseph Shiffnal 18 220
GOUGH Richard Shiffnal 18 220
HAYWARD Martha Shifnal 18 220
PARSELL Mary Ann Shiffnal 18 220
SHEPHERD Isaac Shiffnal 18 220
SHERWOOD Lucretia Shiffnal 18 220
TIPTON Jane Shiffnal 18 220

They are actually living next door to the others in 1861

Joseph Bogh 45
Lucretia Bogh 41
Thomas Bogh 14
John Bogh 11
George Bogh 9
Maria Bogh 4

And I wonder if this is Lucretia's baptism, even though it has the mother as Martha

Name: Lucretia Sherwood
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 7 May 1820
Baptism Place: Shrewsbury, Shropshire, Salop, England
Father: Thomas Sherwood
Mother: Martha Sherwood
FHL Film Number: 1657589

[gardener]

1841
Oakengates

Sub-registration district: Wombridge
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 907
Book: 10
Folio: 13
Page Number: 19
Household Members:
Name Age
Maria Schewood 40
Luretha Scherwood 21
Hannah Scherwood 16
Martha Scherwood 13
George Scherwood 9

[gardener]

And hubby-to-be next door probably

Sub-registration district: Wombridge
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 907
Book: 10
Folio: 13
Page Number: 19
Household Members:
Name Age
John Bourne 37
Ellen Bourne 37
Emma Bourne 14
John Bourne 12
Mary Bourne 10


Edited: although it is odd because Ellen Bourne seems to be in the neighbourhood in 1851, down as a widow and living with her daughter Emma and Emma's husband. You will need to have a good dig around Perhaps Ellen is John's sister or sister in law

[gardener]

Sorry, I was going to let you get on with it, but just so it isn't lost:


1851
Sumplane, Oakengates
Registration district: Wellington
Sub-registration district: Ercall Magna
ED, institution, or vessel: 2a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 134
Piece: 1997
Folio: 634
Page Number: 35
Household Members:
Name Age
Ellen Bourne 47 wid Wrockwardine
George Davies 29 son in law
Emma Davies 23 dau Wombridge

1861
Sub-registration district: Wombridge
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 102
Piece: 1900
Folio: 88
Page Number: 18
Household Members:
Name Age
Ellen Bourne 56 wid Wrockwardine
Emma Davies 32 dau
Emma J Jervis 2 gdau
Ann Samul 61

And John I think - his age is scribbled over

1861
Sub-registration district: Wombridge
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 36
Piece: 1900
Folio: 82
Page Number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
John Bourne 33(83?) Innkeeper and farmer of 80 acres Wellington
Thomas Jervis 30 gson Newport
Mary J Jervis 29 gdau Wombridge
Hannah M Jervis 1 ggdau
John Jervis 1/12 ggs
Ellen Hose 16
Sarah A Hartshorn 12

1851
Bridge Street, Charlton Arms (next street is Sumplane)
Registration district: Wellington
Sub-registration district: Ercall Magna
ED, institution, or vessel: 2b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 35
Piece: 1997
Folio: 659
Page Number: 12
Household Members:
Name Age
John Bourne 73 Farmer Occup ... innkeeper Wellington
Mary Jane Bourne 19 gdau
Sophia Cadman 13

And in the 1841 perhaps

Registration district: Wellington
Sub-registration district: Wombridge
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 907
Book: 10
Folio: 21
Page Number: 34
Household Members:
Name Age
John Bourn 62 farmer
Alice Fowlks 27
Jane Bishop 21
Ann Tonks 14


So I don't know... Did Maria Sherwood marry this older John Bourne? The elderly John seems to have died in 1865, but he didn't leave a lot of money and mentions his daughter and grandson for administration of the will

[Katykat]

Thank you BC & Gardener. Wow, lots of information to delve into. Ill have to get all the names, & dates married together and see what I can whittle out. Watch this space. It gets you doesnt it, just when you think, Thats it, you find another snippet that just might be the piece that brings it all together. Thanks again.

[Katykat]

From FreeBMD

Marriages Dec 1841
BOURNE John Shrewsbury 18 217
JONES David Shrewsbury 18 217
JONES Letitia Shrewsbury 18 217
LEE Martha Shrewsbury 18 217
SHERWOOD Maria Shrewsbury 18 217
TITLEY Thomas Shrewsbury 18 217

Up to now, I am probably going to discount this one. This John Bourne and Maria Sherwood are both listed as 21 yrs old, although Maria is already a widow. Unless their ages are not transcribed correctly. However, my Maria would have been about 43 in 1841 and there is no evidence that she had any more children within her 2nd marriage.

[gardener]

Perhaps someone will check on FMP. Maybe it just means over 21.

[Katykat]

Could be Gardener. Although John Bourne s status is single which is more likely in a 21 yr old rather than a 61 yr old. But you never know.

[grangers14]

11th October 1841. The Abbey, Holy Cross, Shrewsbury
John Bourne, Full Age, Widower, Farmer Wombridge, James Bourne, Farmer
Maria Sherwood, Full Age, Widow, Parish of Holy Cross, William Pugh, Innkeeper
Witnesses, James Pugh, Sarah Pugh


Full age can mean that they are older than 21.

[gardener]

Thanks

[Katykat]

Grangers, does this mean that James Bourne was Johns father and William Pugh was Marias?

[grangers14]

Yes it does. It is from the parish marriage record.

[Katykat]

And Ive found another link. Mariah Pugh, b Nov 1797 in Easthope, Shropshire to William and Lucretia Pugh. Theres the name Lucretia again, surely not just a coincidence. Lutwyche Hall is in the village of Easthope. On all Marias census forms she states her birthplace was Lutwich. Perhaps her father was an employee there. Im sure this is the same person which means another generation found.