John Thompson/ Rosannah Jones

[sp1]

I have found this census entry:

1901, East Street, Lower Gornal
John Thompson, Head, 24, Kitchen Fender Maker, b Dudley
Roseahannah Thompson, Wife, 24, Brickmaker, b Gornal

John Thompson and Rosannah Jones were married 1896, Dudley Register Office, so I need a certificate to prove the connection.

I think Rosannah was probably the one bapt 5 July 1876, St James, Lower Gornal, d of James Jones / Ellen Rodway (b abt 1855 - her family is on BCC).

I think John Thompson connects to me, as my step great-grandfather (well as good as, he and my great grandmother weren't married, but lived together as husband and wife for many years).

My family have told me that the reason they weren't married was that John was already married and had a family in Gornal.

What are the odds that there were two John Thompsons born 1876 in Dudley who were both Fender Makers, with a family in Gornal.

I obviously need the marriage certificate, but in the meantime can anyone find John or Rosannah in the 1911 census (I can't) - I suspect there should be children with them.....

[Jimmy]

There is this one,

1911. 14 Pump Row, Vicarage Road, Wollaston, Stourbridge.
John Thompson 35. Head.Married. Fender maker. Dudley.
Ada Young 29. House keeper. Single.
John Young 21. Boarder.
Lillian Mary Young 18. Boarder.

Others born Wollaston.

Married 15 years. 2 children both died.

[Jimmy]

1911. 11 East Street, Lower Gornal Nr Dudley.
James Jones 58. Coal dealer. Dudley.
Ellen Jones 54. Dudley.
Rosehannah Thompson 34. Daughter, married 14 years. 2 children both died. Brick Maker.
William Jones 35. Son.
Alice Jones 19. Dau.
Edith Jones 17. Dau.
Elisha Jones 14. Son.

Others born Lower Gornal.

James and Ellen married 37 years. 17 children 9 died.

[sp1]

Jimmy, you are a STAR!
I think you've found both of them. I will still apply for the cert, but I think what you've found confirms my suspicions.

I'll post what I've found on the Jones and Rodway connections when I get chance.

Might just be coincidence but my great grandmothers brother was postmaster in Wollaston at the time.


I'm a bit surprised that both their children had died as my aunt told me that my uncle took her to see his 'other family' in Gornal many years ago - I wonder who they went to see??

[sp1]

Just had a quick look and think I might have found one of the children:

A submitted entry on the IGI:
Bapt: 10 Feb 1897, Lower Gornal, Emma d of John & Rosannah Thompson

Have checked: she is on the GRO site (link from RF) registered March Quarter, Dudley, mothers maiden name Jones

[Jimmy]

Deaths Dec 1897.
Thompson  Emma  0.  Dudley.  6c. 47.
GRO says age 10.

[sp1]

Rosannah Jones bapt 5 July 1876, St James, Lower Gornal, d of James Jones & Ellen. (Submitted entry).

1881 Census, East Street, Sedgley
James Jones, 30, Coal Dealer
Ellen Jones, 24, b Dudley
Rosannah Jones, 4
William Jones, 3
Rest b Sedgley

Marriage (another Submitted entry):
21 Dec 1873, St James, Lower Gornal
James Jones, 22, s of William Jones
Ellen Jones, 18, d of William Rodeway

Pity about the submitted entries, which need checking, but it all seems to tie in (the children of James and Ellen Jones all have mothers maiden name Jones on the GRO site) - the marriage is on WestMidsBMD.

Ellen Jones, is, I am sure, Ellen 'Rodway' on BCC here:
https://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/t ... ver=408966
(born before parents marriage.

Peggy Rodwa )Ellens sister), on BCC here:
https://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/t ... ver=408966
is living with James & Ellen Jones in 1891:

1891, East Street, Gornal
James Jones, head, 40, coalminer
Ellen, wife, 35, b Worcs.
Rose Hannah, dau, 14
William, son, 13
James, son, 9
Joseph, son, 7
Lizzie, dau, 3
Peggie Rodway, boarder, 21, labourer in brick works, b Worcs.
Rest born Staffs.

[rockyfowler]

21 Dec 1873 St James Lower Gornal
James JONES 22 B Miner Lower Gornal Father William Jones Miner
Ellen JONES 18 S Lower Gornal Father William Rodeway Nailer
After Banns The X Of Both
Wit; William Jones X/Mary Jones X

[sp1]

Thanks RF

[Northern Lass]

So is your great grandma on Bcc?
then we can connect up with note.

who did John Thompson live with and when...is it that ada young?

[Northern Lass]

County Staffordshire
Place (link for place information) Lower Gornal
Church name St James the Great
Register type Unspecified
Register entry number 372
Burial date 23 Aug 1900
Person age 4m
Burial person forename Annie Lizzie
Burial person surname THOMPSON
Burial person abode 14 East St.

I think this is another dau have added to bcc.

[sp1]

So is your great grandma on Bcc?
then we can connect up with note.

who did John Thompson live with and when...is it that ada young?

Great Grandmother was Ethel Rowley- here on BCC:
https://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/t ... ver=409124
She and John Thompson never married (I have the documents where she planned to change her name by deed poll - she filled it in but never sent it off). I have John Thompson's death certificate, as John Edward Thompson, but he was not registered or bapt with that middle name. John and Ethel had a son Horatio Owen, born 1918 (now deceased). To complicate things Owen, as he was always known, married my mothers sister, so he is both my uncle and great uncle, my fathers uncle and brother in law, my fathers cousins were/ are also his nephews and nieces....

[sp1]

I'll start a new topic for John Thompson, as non of his family are on BCC

[Northern Lass]

Ok....will look at new thread and connect

when you get the certif you have ordered can you let us know and I can bring back this thread
will move this one to archive pending certif....

although what happened to Rosannah Thompson...do you know?

or can anyone find her death or marriage after John.....or maybe on 1939 regis.

[Northern Lass]

sp1 can you post the info on Johns death certif info
when did he die?

and full info then I can add that.