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from a previous thread, looking to see what we can find

It's for an elderly gentleman friend who has told me he would love to find some information on his paternal side cos his father died whilst my friend was very young
Starting with his father Edward Ivor Simmonds who married Ellen Letton (he hasn't got the marriage cert)

so it must be this one...albeit his middle initial is incorrect.....

England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: Edward J Simmonds
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1938
Registration district: Liverpool
Inferred County: Lancashire
Spouse: Ellen Letton
Volume Number: 8b
Page Number: 894

I will give the record office a call on Tuesday (thanks RF)

He tells me that his father was born in Glamorgan....

England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: Edward Ivor Simmonds
Registration Year: 1896
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Neath
Inferred County: Glamorgan
Volume: 11a
Page: 879

1901: 20 Porson or Dorson Street, Lewisham, London
Edward Simmonds 35 Head Plasterer London City (Grandfather)
Beatrice Simmonds 27 Wife Glastonbury, Somerset
Violet J Simmonds 6 Dau Glamorgan
Edward Simmonds 5 Son Glamorgan (Father)
William C Simmonds 3 Son Glamorgan

1911: 24 Millicent Street, Cardiff
Beatrice Simmonds 35 Married Domestic married 17 yrs - children 7/4/3
Violer Simmonds 15 Dau Glamorgan
Edward Simmonds 14 Son Glamorgan
William Simmonds 13 Son Glamorgan
Ghace Darling Simmonds 4 Dau Lewisham, London

Found this...

UK, Railway Employment Records, 1833 1956
Edward Joor Simmonds
Age: 15
Birth Date: 17 May 1896
Residence Date: 10 Feb 1912
Station: Cardiff
Company: Great Western
Description: No.8 1876-1915 Newport Division

We have his Army Discharge papers and it ties in with the following

Forces War Records
E Simmonds 386594 Corporal 1918 Royal Monmouthshire Royal Engineers

British Army WWI Medal Rolls Index Cards, 1914 -1920
E Simmonds [Edward I Simmonds]
Regiment or Corps: 1 Siege Coy RE
Regimental Number: 6594, 386594

He was discharged in 1920 and I've got a sneaky feeling that this could have been his 1st marriage (not known by my friend)

Marriages Dec 1917
Owen Eunice M Simmonds Cardiff 11a 856
Quick Kate Williams Cardiff 11a 856
Simmonds Edward I Owen Cardiff 11a 856
Williams George M Quick Cardiff 11a 856

Is it a coincidence that he (my friend) has a 'half sister' called Eunice?

UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960

Name Mr E I Simmonds
Gender Male
Age 50
Birth Date abt 1897
Departure Date 1 May 1947
Port of Departure Southampton, England
Destination Port Cape Town, South Africa
Ship Name Winchester Castle
Search Ship Database Winchester Castle
Shipping Line Union Castle Mail Steamship Company Limited
Official Number 162489
Master W H Pace

Edward died 27 Dec 1949 - Good Hope, South Africa

My friend was born in 1947 and has lived in South Africa all of his life until last year. Until I speak to him again, I'm left wondering when his mother Ellen took him there. Would she be on the passenger list?

mallosa wrote:UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960

Name Mr E I Simmonds
Gender Male
Age 50
Birth Date abt 1897
Departure Date 1 May 1947
Port of Departure Southampton, England
Destination Port Cape Town, South Africa
Ship Name Winchester Castle
Search Ship Database Winchester Castle
Shipping Line Union Castle Mail Steamship Company Limited
Official Number 162489
Master W H Pace.

Edward died 27 Dec 1949 - Good Hope, South Africa

My friend was born in 1947 and has lived in South Africa all of his life until last year. Until I speak to him again, I'm left wondering when his mother Ellen took him there. Would she be on the passenger list?

On rhe same day as Mr E Simmonds,

Mr J Simmonds.
Gender: Male.
Age: 32.
Birth Date: abt 1915.
Departure Date: 1 May 1947.

Mrs J E Simmonds.
Gender: Female.
Age: 24
Birth Date: abt 1923.
Departure Date: 1 May 1947.

Master J Simmonds.
Gender: Male.
Age: 1.
Birth Date: abt 1946.
Departure Date: 1 May 1947.

Home address,
91 Lilford Rd,
Camberwell, London.

Mr E Simmonds home address,
5 Leffern Rd. W 10.

Mr E Simmonds home address,
5 Leffern Rd. W 10.

That's the address I have on my friends birth certificate

Great thanks Jimmy!

I wonder who the others are

Marriages Dec 1917
Owen Eunice M Simmonds Cardiff 11a 856
Quick Kate Williams Cardiff 11a 856
Simmonds Edward I Owen Cardiff 11a 856
Williams George M Quick Cardiff 11a 856

Is it a coincidence that he (my friend) has a 'cousin' called Eunice?

On reading this again I realise that I made a mistake, I should have said...

Is it a coincidence that he (my friend) has a 'half sister' called Eunice?

I have sent for this marriage certificate on his behalf

England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: Edward J Simmonds
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1938
Registration district: Liverpool
Inferred County: Lancashire
Spouse: Ellen Letton
Volume Number: 8b
Page Number: 894

CONFIRMED:

(from marriage certificate)
Marriage 18 April 1938 The Parish Church of Walton On The Hill, Lancaster
Edward Ivor Simmonds 41 Widower Plasterer 315 Cherry Lane, Walton
Father: Edward Robert Simmonds Retired
Ellen Letton 19 Spinster – 315 Cherry Lane, Walton
Father: John Edward Letton Dock Labourer
Both signed their name
Witnesses: Thomas Carr/Millicent Evelyn Simmonds

Poss birth for Millicent (daughter of Edward and 1st wife Eunice Owen)

Birth Jun 1920
Simmonds Millicent E Owen Cardiff 11a 1006

I have given my friend that marriage cert and have now sent off for his father's 1st marriage cert hoping that it will give his grandfather Edward Robert Simmonds occupation at that time. I don't know where he was when the 1911 Census was taken

Grandparents…
Marriage Mar 1895 Edward Simmonds Beatrice Mary Syms Neath 11a 890

1901: 20 Porson or Dorson Street, Lewisham, London
Edward Simmonds 35 Head Plasterer London City (Grandfather)
Beatrice Simmonds 27 Wife Glastonbury, Somerset
Violet J Simmonds 6 Dau Glamorgan
Edward Simmonds 5 Son Glamorgan (Father)
William C Simmonds 3 Son Glamorgan

1911: 24 Millicent Street, Cardiff
Beatrice Simmonds 35 Married Domestic married 17 yrs - children 7/4/3
Violer Simmonds 15 Dau Glamorgan
Edward Simmonds 14 Son Glamorgan
William Simmonds 13 Son Glamorgan
Grace Darling Simmonds 4 Dau Lewisham, London

Marriages Dec 1917
Owen Eunice M Simmonds Cardiff 11a 856
Quick Kate Williams Cardiff 11a 856
Simmonds Edward I Owen Cardiff 11a 856
Williams George M Quick Cardiff 11a 856

CONFIRMED:

Marriage Nov 24 Nov 1917 The Register Office, Cardiff, Glamorgan
Edward Ivor Simmonds 21 bachelor Corporal RM RE 80 Sallmead Road , Cardiff - Father Edward Simmonds plasterer
Eunice Mary Owen 20 spinster - 8 Heath Street, Cardiff - Father Thomas Owen Labourer
signed by both
Witnesses: E ? Simmonds/Mrs Violet Jessie Ellis

so he was in the Royal Marines Royal Engineers

Births Jun 1896.
Simmonds. Edward Ivor. Neath. 11a. 879.

SIMMONDS, EDWARD IVOR SYMS.
GRO Reference: 1896. J Quarter in NEATH. Volume. 11A. Page. 879.

1911. 24 Millicent Street, Cardiff.
Beatrice Simmonds 35. Married. Married 17 years. 7 children 3 died. Born Glastonbury, Somerset.
Violer Simmonds 15.
Edward Simmonds 14.
William Simmonds 13.
Grace Darling Simmonds 4. Lewisham, London.

Others born Aberavon, Glamorgan.

1901.
Edward Simmonds 35. not sure on the occupation. London City.
Beatrice Simmonds 27. Glastonbury, Somerset.
Violet J Simmonds 6.
Edward Simmonds 5.
William C Simmonds 3.

Others born Glamorgan.

Marriages Mar 1895.
Simmonds Edward. Neath. 11a 890.
Syms Beatrice Mary. Neath. 11a. 890.

Yes I've got all that Jimmy but where was he Edward b 1866 in 1911?