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I have done a look up for Moses Nock brother of Daniel here
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =907891712

parents are supposed to be James Nock and Phoebe unknown
but somat aint rite...

on the 1851 ( and I will amend in notes) that James is with William Nock age 53 and wife Sarah as a visitor not a son
Edmund is Edward there too.

1851 56 Reddal HIll
William Nock 53 - Nailor
Sarah Nock 53 - Nailor
George Nock 25 -son
Daniel Nock 22 -son
James Nock 28 ---lodger chainmaker
Phebe Nock 28 - Nailor--lodger
Ann Nock 7 - visitor
Edward Nock 6 -visitor
William Nock 5 -visitor
All b Rowley the rest chainmakers

Then James must die between 1851 and 1861 as on 1861 Phoebe is here...

1861 - Garratt?s Lane, RR
Phebe Nock Head W 40 Nailer b. RR
Edmund Nock Son 17 Labourer (General) b. RR
William Nock Son 15 Nailer b. RR
Daniel Nock Son 10 b. RR
Moses Nock Son 17(7) b. RR
William Jones Boarder 47 Nailer b. RR
John Williams Visitor 24 Stone Miner b. RR

1871 - Wagon Street, Rowley Regis
Phoebe Nock Head W 48 Nail Maker b. RR
Daniel Nock Son 19 Coal Miner b. RR
Moses Nock Son 17 Labourer b. RR
John Nock Son 8 b. RR
Samuel Nock Son 5 b. RR
William Jones Boarder Widr 57 b. RR

We know from Edmunds marriage he is deceased so when does James die?
Why is he not down as son on 1861 ?
is he actually son of William.... I am unsure!

On the marriage of Moses nock to Mary Pugh no father is on!!
now Moses is born 1854...the name James nock should have been there

yet on Edmunds b 1844 he is on ie James nock

not done Daniels b 1851 yet but wonder if our James the father actually died before Daniel and Moses were born!

can we find a marriage for this James Nock and Phobe unknown

somat dont feel rite

Poss
JAMES NOCK
Marriages:
Spouse: PHOEBE HODDISH
Marriage: 19 SEP 1842 Clent, Worcester

Submitted
Moses Nock
Birth: 1853 Rowley Regis, Stafford, England
Parents:
Father: Mr. Nock
Mother: Phebe

Daniel Nock
Birth: 1850 Rowley Regis, Stafford, England
Parents:
Father: Mr. Nock
Mother: Phebe

Wonder about William Jones the boarder poss the father of Moses and Daniel

Could be FS I think I might get that marriage cert I dont think James is the son of William Nock

better still the birth cert for Edmund would give me the maiden name then I can go from there
rite
can anyone post it please
b 1844 not sure if he is Edmund or Edward Edmund on marr doc and census in 1861
edward in 1851

1844
NOCK Edmund Rowley Regis Sandwell Register Office RR/7/147

ta fs gonna get that one

There are two James Nocks whose deaths are registered in Dudley in 1857, NL and FS, one in the March Quarter, the other in the June Quarter.

There is a Davies connection with Moses Nock if I have the right parents for Martha Pugh b. 1860 Bishops Castle, Shropshire, dau. of Thomas Pugh b. abt. 1838 Lydbury, Shropshire, and Martha Davies b. 1842 Clun, Shropshire, marr. Bishops Castle abt Jun. 1860. Moses Nock and Mary née Pugh are listed in the 1911 census, this is a corrected version of what I had on them. They seem to have returned to Old Hill briefly, and possibly spent time in Liverpool. If I have the right Moses, their son, he appears to have married in Liverpool and emigrated to Canada. I've a sense that other family members e.g. John may also have gone to Canada / USA :

1. MOSES7 NOCK (JAMES6, WILLIAM5, DANIEL4, CORNELIUS3, JAMES2, JOSEPH1) was born Abt. Jun 1854 in Old Hill, Staffordshire, and died Aft. 1911. He married MARY PUGH 1877 in St Thomas' church, Dudley, Worcestershire, daughter of THOMAS PUGH and MARTHA DAVIES. She was born Abt. 30 Dec 1860 in Bishops Castle, Shropshire, and died Aft. 1911.

Notes for MOSES NOCK:
"Ironworks Labourer" in 1891, living with family in Barrow-in-Furness, Lancashire. In 1911 living at 45, Melbourne Street, Barrow-in-Furness.

Children of MOSES NOCK and MARY PUGH are:
i. JOHN8 NOCK, b. Abt. Jun 1880, Barrow in Furness, Lancashire.
ii. MARY ANN NOCK, b. Abt. Sep 1882, Barrow in Furness, Lancashire.
iii. GEORGE NOCK, b. Abt. Mar 1884, Barrow in Furness, Lancashire.
iv. WILLIAM NOCK, b. Abt. 1886, Old Hill, Staffordshire; d. Aft. 1911.
v. JOHN NOCK, b. Abt. Sep 1886, West Derby, Lancashire?; d. Aft. 1911.
vi. MOSES NOCK, b. Abt. Dec 1886, Barrow in Furness, Lancashire; d. Aft. 1911, Canada?; m. UNKNOWN NEEDHAM, Abt. Jun 1919, Toxteth Park, Liverpool, Lancs.
vii. THOMAS NOCK, b. 1889, Barrow in Furness, Lancashire; d. Aft. 1911.
viii. HENRY NOCK, b. Abt. Jun 1892, Barrow in Furness, Lancashire; d. Aft. 1911.
ix. ELLEN NOCK, b. Abt. Jun 1895, Barrow in Furness, Lancashire; d. Aft. 1911.
x. ALBERT NOCK, b. Abt. Sep 1897, Barrow in Furness, Lancashire; d. Aft. 1911.
xi. JAMES NOCK, b. Abt. Mar 1900, Barrow in Furness, Lancashire; d. Aft. 1911.
xii. FREDERICK NOCK.
xiii. FLORENCE NOCK.

Edmund Nock and his wife Emma are still around in 1911, they have a grandson William Hubery with them. Daughters Annie and Mary Ann have become elementary school teachers:

EDMUND7 NOCK (JAMES6, WILLIAM5, DANIEL4, CORNELIUS3, JAMES2, JOSEPH1) was born Abt. Mar 1844 in Rowley Regis, Staffordshire, and died Aft. 1911. He married EMMA DAVIES Abt. Dec 1867 in St Thomas' church, Dudley, Worcestershire. She was born Abt. 1846 in Rowley Regis, Staffordshire, and died Aft. 1911.

Children of EDMUND NOCK and EMMA DAVIES are:
i. EMMA JANE8 NOCK, b. Abt. 1868, Rowley Regis, Staffordshire.
ii. SAMUEL NOCK, b. Abt. 1870, Rowley Regis, Staffordshire.
iii. JAMES NOCK, b. Abt. 1874, Rowley Regis, Staffordshire.
2. iv. SARAH NOCK, b. Abt. 1877, Rowley Regis, Staffordshire.
v. ANNIE NOCK, b. Abt. 1885, Old Hill, Staffordshire; d. Aft. 1911.
vi. MARY ANN NOCK, b. Abt. 1887, Old Hill, Staffordshire; d. Aft. 1911.


Generation No. 2

2. SARAH8 NOCK (EDMUND7, JAMES6, WILLIAM5, DANIEL4, CORNELIUS3, JAMES2, JOSEPH1) was born Abt. 1877 in Rowley Regis, Staffordshire. She married THOMAS HUBERY Abt. Mar 1900 in St Giles's church, Rowley Regis, Staffordshire. He was born Abt. 1877 in Dudley, Worcestershire.

Children of SARAH NOCK and THOMAS HUBERY are:
i. THOMAS EDMUND9 HUBERY, b. Abt. Sep 1900, Rowley Regis, Staffordshire.
ii. WILLIAM HUBERY.

This is Moses' brother William's family, another piece of the jigsaw. I'd love to carry on, NL, but I'm in Lausanne for the next week for meetings. Hope it helps.


WILLIAM7 NOCK (JAMES6, WILLIAM5, DANIEL4, CORNELIUS3, JAMES2, JOSEPH1) was born Abt. 1846 in Rowley Regis, Staffordshire, and died Aft. 1911. He married ANN CHATER 01 Dec 1867 in St Thomas' church, Dudley, Worcestershire, daughter of THOMAS CHATER and CHARLOTTE UNKNOWN. She was born 1843 in Netherton, Dudley, Worcestershire, and died Aft. 1911.

Children of WILLIAM NOCK and ANN CHATER are:
i. ELIZABETH8 NOCK, b. Abt. 1876, Netherton, Dudley, Worcestershire; d. Aft. 1911; m. ANDREW ADAMS, 1910, St Andrew's church, Dudley, Worcestershire; b. Abt. 1878, Old Hill, Staffordshire.
ii. EMILY JANE NOCK, b. Abt. 1870, Darby End, Worcestershire.
iii. JAMES NOCK, b. Abt. 1872, Dudley, Worcestershire.
iv. JOSEPH HENRY NOCK, b. Abt. 1874, Darby End, Worcestershire.
v. CHARLOTTE NOCK, b. Abt. 1876, Darby End, Worcestershire.
vi. SARAH ANN NOCK, b. Abt. 1879, Darby End, Worcestershire.
vii. DAVID NOCK, b. Abt. 1883, Darby End, Worcestershire.
viii. ELIZABETH NOCK, b. Abt. 1886, Darby End, Worcestershire.

Hi Dennis just getting my head around this this is a big connection Pughs/nocks /Parkes

I have joined up Mary Pugh to Thomas Pugh b 1838 and Wife Martha davies
that fits nicely with William on the 1881 living with Moses's mother Phoebe

need to get Thomas and Mary and mother martha on census if poss

Northern Lass wrote:Hi Dennis just getting my head around this this is a big connection Pughs/nocks /Parkes

I have joined up Mary Pugh to Thomas Pugh b 1838 and Wife Martha davies
that fits nicely with William on the 1881 living with Moses's mother Phoebe

need to get Thomas and Mary and mother martha on census if poss

my concern is her dob I have her b abt 1858 and Caroline his first wife dies 1859
so this needs verifying

I think she may well be the dau of his first wife Caroline

can anyone see this Mary on the census please or a bapt

Ok got her ...phew!

dau of Martha

MARY PUGH Christening: 30 DEC 1860 Bishops Castle, Shropshire,
Parents:
Father: THOMAS PUGH
Mother: MARTHA Extracted birth

this may be the birth regis

Births Mar 1861
PUGH Mary Clun 6a 527

Marriages Jun 1860
Davies Martha Clun 6a 1063
Pugh Thomas Clun 6a 1063


Deaths Sep 1859
PUGH Caroline Clun 6a 355

James nock now...

dies betw 1851 - 1861
living Old hill area in 1851
Daniel and Moses may not be his kids...

Could be any of these deaths ...the RRegis ones I would think....

I need to look at the marriage for Daniel Nock and Sarah Parkes see who his father is
if like Moses no father on then good possibility that James is not their father I have made a note on notes!


1851
NOCK James Rowley Regis Sandwell Register Office RR/8/214
NOCK James Rowley Regis Sandwell Register Office RR/8/272

1852
NOCK James Oldbury Sandwell Register Office OLD/8/285
NOCK James Rowley Regis Sandwell Register Office RR/9/86

1853
NOCK James Rowley Regis Sandwell Register Office RR/10/164
NOCK James Tipton Sandwell Register Office TIP/18/322

1854
NOCK James Sedgley Dudley Register Office SEG/025/222

1857
NOCK James Rowley Regis Sandwell Register Office RR/12/450
NOCK James Tipton Sandwell Register Office TIP/24/123

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Anne Nock
Christening: 23 MAR 1845 Reddall-Hill, , Stafford,
Parents:
Father: James Nock Mother: Phobe

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I think that James is prob the son of William and Sarah
seems like 2 eldest bapt at Cradley Park lane

JAMES NOCK
Birth: 14 AUG 1821
Christening: 06 FEB 1825 Park Lane Presbyterian, Cradley, Worcester,
Parents:
Father: WILLIAM NOCK Mother: SARAH
Extracted



WILLIAM NOCK
Birth: 04 MAR 1824
Christening: 06 FEB 1825 Park Lane Presbyterian, Cradley, Worcester,
Parents:
Father: WILLIAM NOCK
Mother: SARAH
Extracted birth

Dennis if you get time do add some of that to Connections

I think this is now completed with thanks without sending off for certifs
I am going to get edmunds and then poss James and phoebe one

so will report back

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