ARC TBC Hi and the Fearnall Family from Kidderminster

[Fearnall]

Hello everybody,

Thank you for letting me join the Geneology Forum. I was recommended to join after I posted on Kidderminster past a few months ago.
I am researching the FEARNALL family tree and have hit upon a brick wall! My Grandfather was Benjamin Fearnall born in Bridgnorth to John Fearnall and Mary Pearce in 1885. John Fearnall was one of 6 children that I know about! He was born 1835/37. He married Mary Ann Pearce in Kidderminster in 1877 and died 17/06/1888 in Bridgnorth.
John was one of 6 children; Elizabeth, John , William, Ann, Robert and Maria Fearnall all born to Joseph Fearnall and Mary King? Joseph was a carpet weaver. Joseph may have been born around 1796? He was recorded as deceased on the marriage certificate of John and Mary in 1877. This is where my mystery starts.
I have a deat h certificate for a Joseph Fearnall (carpet weaver) died in 1857 aged 67 years, however the informant is Phoebe Fearnall from York St, Kidderminster. I think she was married to another Joseph Fearnall? So did Joseph and Mary Fearnall have more children than I originally thought? There just isn't something adding up here and I'm stuck. If anyone can help me I would be very grateful, I don't seem to be able to see the wood for the trees, if you know what I mean. Many thanks.

[Northern Lass]

Hi hope we can help you
Just putting these on the Bcc tree to see if it helps us
this looks like his birth
Births Mar 1885
FEARNELL Benjamin Bridgnorth 6a 627

added here
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =247002877

helps to visualise re your query and near enought the Black Country area to go on.

[Northern Lass]

What do you have re certifs.............marriages deaths etc..


Do you have this marriage? is this the marriage for John and Mary?

Marriages Mar 1877
Farnell John Kidderminster 6c 257
PEARCE Mary Kidderminster

Do you have the birth certif for Benjamin does it say Mary Pearce as mother?

Just so we are on the right lines.


Does it say father Joseph carpet weaver
and

who are wits on marriage certif..

and
What is the address on that death certif of both deceased and informant?

[Northern Lass]

I have added some here
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =274827510

Looks like place of birth is leicester for Mary the mother..............

[Northern Lass]

1841 Mount Pleasant? Kidderminster
Joseph Fearnall 45 Carpet Weaver
Mary Fearnall 25
John Fearnall 10
Elizabeth Fearnall 7
Willaim Fearnall 5
Ann Fearnal 2


1851 Bernards Hill Bridgnorth
Mary Farnall head mar 41 weavers wife b Leicester
John Farnall son unm 20 carpet weaver b Kidderminster
Elizabeth Farnall dau 18 unm spinner
William Farnall son 15 spinner
Ann Farnall dau 13 spinner
Robert Farnall son 8
Maria Farnall dau 3 b Bridgnorth
all others born Kidderminster

note on 1851.............Mary is still married not widow.....................mistake? or is Joseph elsewhere

1861 Spittal St Bridgnorth
Mary Farnall head widow 45 Charwoman Leicester
William Farnall son 24 mar labourer b Kidderminster
Ann Farnall dau unm 20 worsted spinner b Kidderminster
Ann Farnall dau in law 20 worsted spinner b Bridgnorth
Maria Farnall dau 13 scholar b Bridgnorth
Albert Farnall son 5 mths
Benjamin Farnall g.son 6 scholar
Robert Farnall son 16 labourer
all others born Bridgnorth


1871 15 Bernards Hill Bridgnorth
Mary Fernall head widow 70 b Leicester
Maria Fernall dau unm 23 spinner at worsted mill b Bridgnorth
Ann Bufton dau 29 married b Kidderminster
George Bufton g.son 10 mths b Madeley
Benjamin Fallows g.son 16 b Bridgnorth


next door to Benjamin Pearce and Caroline Pearce
who are at no 14
and Mary Ann Pearce as yet unmarried in 1871 is there too

1881 29 Bernards Hill Bridgnorth
Richard Lee Head mar 29 General Labourer b Salop Bridgnorth
Maria Lee wife mar 31 b Salop Bridgnorth
Mary Ann Lee dau 7
Maria Lee dau 4
Mary Farnall mother wid 75 b Leicestershire Leicester

Then next House ...
30 Bernards Hill
John Fernall head mar 46 ?lipers labourer b Worcs. Kidderminster
Mary A Fernall wife mar worsted spinner unemployed b Salop Bridgnorth
Henry Fernall son 3 b Kidderminster
Caroline Fernall dau 2 b Bridgnorth
Harriet A Fernall dau 1 b Bridgnorth

[Northern Lass]

Note I think this is another Joseph Fearnall and Marys family..

1851 Broad St Kidderminster
Joseph Fearnall head mar 59 Carpet Weaver b Kidderminster
Mary Fearnall wife 59 b Walsall Staffs.
Joseph Fearnall unm son 22 b Kidderminster
Louisa Cartwright dau 27 mar bobbin minder?
Emma Fearnall dau 24
Joseph Fearnall 14 g.son
Eliza Fearnall 12 G.dau
Joseph Cartwright Gson 8? b stourbridge
Noah Cartwright gson 1 b Brockmoor
all others b Kidderminster

poss marriage of a Joseph who I think marries a Phoebe Ayers in 1856 Kidderminster
is that the son of Joseph above?

and this looks like Mary born Walsall in 1871
1871 York ???? Kidderminster
Joseph Fearnall head mar 42 carpet weaver b Kidderminster
Phebe? Fearnall wife 43?
Eliza dau 18?
Mary Mother widow 80 b Walsall

[Northern Lass]

Might be worth sending for birth certif see what mothers maiden name is

Births Jun 1843 Fearnall Robert Kidderminster 18 375


unless you have any of the birth certifs for this family..........??

if so what is the mothers maiden name is it King?

[Northern Lass]

Ancestry.

Name:Joseph Fearnall
Male
Age:67
Birth Date:1790
Burial Date:5 Feb 1857
Burial Place:Kidderminster Parish, Worcester,
FHL Film Number:367788
Reference ID:IN 290 #650

which church is this please?

[Northern Lass]

Looks to me like 2 Marys that marry 2 Josephs

Found in 1871 the one with the Joseph as son who marries I think a Phebe Ayers

1871 York ???? Kidderminster
Joseph Fearnall head mar 42 carpet weaver b Kidderminster
Phebe? Fearnall wife 43?
Eliza dau 18?
Mary Mother widow 80 b Walsall

what links the 1851 and 1871 is the mother Mary born Walsall


1851 Broad St Kidderminster
Joseph Fearnall head mar 59 Carpet Weaver b Kidderminster
Mary Fearnall wife 59 b Walsall Staffs.
Joseph Fearnall unm son 22 b Kidderminster
Louisa Cartwright dau 27 mar bobbin minder?
Emma Fearnall dau 24
Joseph Fearnall 14 g.son
Eliza Fearnall 12 G.dau
Joseph Cartwright Gson 8? b stourbridge
Noah Cartwright gson 1 b Brockmoor
all others b Kidderminster



1871

1871 15 Bernards Hill Bridgnorth
Mary Fernall head widow 70 b Leicester
Maria Fernall dau unm 23 spinner at worsted mill b Bridgnorth
Ann Bufton dau 29 married b Kidderminster
George Bufton g.son 10 mths b Madeley
Benjamin Fallows g.son 16 b Bridgnorth


next door to Benjamin Pearce and Caroline Pearce
who are at no 14
and Mary Ann Pearce as yet unmarried in 1871 is there too


so looks like a Joseph and Mary marry that mary born walsall
and the other Joseph and Mary that mary born Leicester

I think that son of Joseph and Mary born walsall marries a phebe...................and that is that Joseph that dies in 1857.........not ours.

[Northern Lass]

Name:Joseph Farnel
Gender:Male
Spouse's Name:Mary King
Marriage Date:21 Sep 1829
Marriage Place:Chatham, Kent,

[Northern Lass]

CAn someone check this marriage on the IGI pls I cant get on it

20 dec 1811
Wolverley, Worcs

Joseph Fearnall and Mary Westerns

[Jimmy]

England Marriages, 1538–1973.
Indexing Project (Batch) Number M02522-2.
System Origin England-ODM.
GS Film number 527944, 527945.


Name Joseph Fernell.
Spouse's Name Mary Westens.
Event Date 20 Dec 1811.
Event Place Wolverley,Worcester,England.

[Jimmy]

England Marriages, 1538–1973.
Indexing Project (Batch) Number M02522-2.
System Origin England-ODM.
GS Film number 527944, 527945.

Name Joseph Fernell.
Spouse's Name Mary Westens.
Event Date 20 Dec 1811.
Event Place Wolverley,Worcester,England.

Ancestry,
Joseph Fernell.
Gender: Male.
Marriage Date: 20 Dec 1811.
Marriage Place: Wolverley,Worcester,England.
Spouse: Mary Westens.
FHL Film Number: 527944, 527945.

[Northern Lass]

Thanks Jimmy so does look like the Mary King marriage cos of dobs

CAn't do anymore without the poster coming back and seeing what he has re more info to
back up what we have found and answer questions re certifs they have

sending for the certif for one of the kids would verify if King is Marys name


Jimmy can you see any bapts for kids on igi?

just wondering if JOhn is from 1st marriage in 1811.............maybe Jos married twice.

There is a poss death on free bmd which would need tbc.
Mary Fearnell Dec Qtr 1882 Bridgnorth aged 80

[Fearnall]

Hi everyone,

A massive thank you for all the help received so far. I am relatively new to all of this and to be honest, have got myself in a right mess with all the Joseph's and Mary's!

I have got the birth certificate of Benjamin Fearnall born on the 12th Jan 1885 at Bernard's Hill, Bridgnorth. Fathers name John Fearnall and Mothers name Mary Fearnall, formerly Pearce. I have his death cert, died 27th May, 1953.

I also have the birth cert of Benjamin's Brother Henry who was born 17th April 1877 at Primrose Hill, Kidderminster. John Fearnall (spelt Farnell) father and Mary Farnell (formerly Pearce) mother.

I also have the marriage certificate of John Fearnall (spelt Farnell again!) and Mary Pearce. Married on the 26th Feb 1877, John aged 40 years and Mary aged 26 years. John living at Wood st, Kidderminster and Mary living Primrose Hill, Kidderminster. Johns father Joseph Farnell, carpet weaver (deceased).

I have the death cert for John Farnall, died 17th June 1888, Bernard's Hill, Bridgnorth. Aged 53 years

I have a birth certificate of Ann Farnall (diff spelling) born 2nd Feb 1839 (Sister to John). Father Joseph Farnall and mother Mary Fearnall formerly King.

I also sent off for the Death cert of Joseph Fearnall deceased 31st Jan 1857 aged 67 years, a carpet weaver. The informant of death was Phoebe Fearnall, present at death. Then on looking up Phoebe Fearnall found the other Joseph and things didn't match up.

I also have transcripts of the marriage Certificates for;
Elizabeth Fearnall marriage 1853, to Richard Fellowes, fathers name Joseph Fearnall (carpet weaver)
William Fearnall marriage 1859 to Ann Handley, fathers name Joseph Fearnall (carpet weaver)
Robert Fearnall marriage 1867 to Martha Parsons, fathers name Joseph Fearnall(carpet weaver)
Ann Fearnall marriage 1868 to Thomas Bufton, fathers name Joseph Fearnall (carpet weaver)
Maria Fearnall marriage 1873 to Richard Lee, fathers name Joseph Fearnall (carpet weaver)

Therefore according to the marriage records of John and his siblings, our Joseph Fearnall must have died between 1873 and 1877, as he was deceased at Johns Marriage.

Thank you so much once again for any help, I sometimes think it's going to send me quite mad! If I've posted this into the wrong place again, many apologies, I'm new to forums and navigating myself around too