ARC TBC Thomas Tromans: Rowley Regis born 1822

[unicorn]

Thomas Tromans born abt 1822 in Rowley Regis, married Phoebe Crampton in 1844 in Cradley, Worcestershire. Thomas's father was William.
I would like to know who Thomas's mother is but am unable to find a baptism,
I have all the information about Thomas and Phoebe and their descendants and just want to know who his mother is.

[rockyfowler]

On this site http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... ver=347140

[unicorn]

Thanks for that. Still can't find his mother.

[Northern Lass]

Where is he in 1841

[gardener]

This one looks possible (but unhelpful)

1841
The Village, RR
Thomas Tromans 20 nailer
Sarah Shaw 30
Elizabeth Shaw 10
Eliza Roberts 20
Thomas Roberts 1

there is another Thomas but he is already married [adding here just for clarification. This Thomas doesn't seem to be on BCC]

1841
Pare Tree Street
Thomas Tromans 20 nail maker
Pheby Thomas 20
William Thomas 10 Mo

1851
Peartree Street
Thomas Tromans 33
Phebe Tromans 31
William Tromans 10
Joseph Tromans 8
Maria Tromans 1 Mo


perhaps?
Name: Thomas Tromans
Gender: Male
Father's name: Thomas Tromans
Spouse's Name: Phoebe Coley
Spouse's Father's Name: John Coley
Marriage Date: 24 Nov 1839
Marriage Place: Clent, Worcestershire, England

This might be Phoebe http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... ver=347176

[unicorn]

The Thomas Tromans at Pear Street in 1841/1851 I believe is correct. Phoebe nee( Crampton) dies and Thomas marries a widow named Elizabeth Foxall and in 1861 they are living in Cornwall. Thomas dies between 1861 and 1871 in Cornwall but Joseph his son continues to live in Cornwall with his wife and children,
Elizabeth moves back to Staffordshire.
Still not found Thomas's mother's name.

[rockyfowler]

For BCC Tree info

24 Nov 1839 St Leonard Clent
Thomas TROMANS F B Nailer Rowley Regis Father Thomas Tromans Nailer
Phoebe COLEY F S Dress Maker Rowley Regis Father John Coley Farmer
After Banns The X Of Both Wit; William Tromans / Lucy Smith X

[gardener]

The Thomas Tromans at Pear Street in 1841/1851 I believe is correct. Phoebe nee( Crampton) dies and Thomas marries a widow named Elizabeth Foxall and in 1861 they are living in Cornwall. Thomas dies between 1861 and 1871 in Cornwall but Joseph his son continues to live in Cornwall with his wife and children,
Elizabeth moves back to Staffordshire.
Still not found Thomas's mother's name.

It can't be the Peartree Street one. He married Phoebe Coley in 1839 (see above) and they are still in Rowley Regis in 1851 and 1861.

The marriage
Marriage
20 Feb 1844 St Giles Rowley Regis
Thomas Tromans X of full age bach chainmaker of Village son of William a Collier
Phebe Crampton X 20 spinster of Cradley Heath dau of Henry a nailer
banns
Wit- Zachariah Crampton X / Elizabeth Lawley

says "of Village" for Thomas so that would fit with the other one:

1841
The Village, RR
Thomas Tromans 20 nailer
Sarah Shaw 30
Elizabeth Shaw 10
Eliza Roberts 20
Thomas Roberts 1

[rockyfowler]

Just info for BCC

13 Jun 1853 Christ Church Quarry Bank
James DOODY 23 B Miner Sheffield Street Father Joseph Doody Miner
Elizabeth FOXALL 19 S Domestic Servant Sheffield Street Father William Foxall Bundler in BCC http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... ver=347206
After Banns The X of Both
Wit; Joseph Little X / John Fleming X

2 Jul 1855 St Andrews Netherton
Thomas TROMANS 34 W Chain Maker Dudley Wood Father William Tromans (Dec) Miner
Elizabeth DOODY 20 W Dudley Wood Father William Foxall (Dec) Labourer in BCC http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... ver=347206
After Banns The X Of Both
Wit; James Mackay / David Mackay

[unicorn]

Thanks for the marriages. So easy to go to the wrong tree.
One question answered and another appears. I wonder if Elizabeth Shaw was a relation of Thomas Tromans.
1841
The Village, RR
Thomas Tromans 20 nailer
Sarah Shaw 30
Elizabeth Shaw 10
Eliza Roberts 20
Thomas Roberts 1

[Northern Lass]

So which Thomas Tromans do you link to unicorn

the one that marries Phebe Crampton?

So Thomas Tromans that marries Phebe she dies

do we know when?

and he marries Elizabeth doody nee foxall

adding to Bcc so is that right RF?

[Northern Lass]

Where is this lot in 1861 and 1871 pls


http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... ver=347140


1851. Light Green, Cradley.
Thomas Truman 30. Chainmaker. Rowley.
Pheobe Truman 27.
Henrietta Truman 6.
Joseph Truman 4.
Others born Cradley.

[Northern Lass]

Is this her death

Deaths Sep 1853
Troman Phoebe Aston 6d 143


if so why aston?

[Northern Lass]

Think I have them in 1861 phillack cornwall

can anyone read the daus name aged 8

[Northern Lass]

Unicorn do you have any of the childrens birth certifs for Thomas tromans and this elizabeth

to check that it is this Elizabeth doody nee foxall

no henrietta with them in 1861

there is a Joseph aged 13

so looks good