ARC TBC Harriett Dodd

[mumbles]

16 Jan 1860 Marriage St. Thomas Dudley looked up by RF
Caleb DARBY F B Horse Nail Maker Dudley Father William Darby Horse Nail Maker
Harriet DODD F S Dudley Father Thomas Dodd (Dec) Miner
After Banns Caleb Signed The X Of Harriet
Wit; Sarah Dodd X / Thomas Davis

Can anyone find Harriett before marriage ?

1861 Census Darby Hand Dudley Worcs.
Caleb Darby Head 28 Horse Nail Maker born Dudley Worcs.
Harriett Darby wife 27 born Holly Hall
Eliza Darby dau 7mths born Darby End

1871 Census 8 Canal Row Darby Hand Dudley Worcs.
Caleb Darby Head 40 Nailer
Harriett Darby wife 37
Eliza Darby dau 10 Scholar
Simeon Darby son 6 Scholar
Mary Darby dau 4 Scholar
Elizabeth Darby dau 1
All born Dudley Worcs.

1881 Census 8 Canal Row Darby Hand Dudley Worcs.
Caleb Darby Head 49 Boat Man (Barge)
Harriott Darby wife 47 Nail Maker
Eliza Darby dau 20 Nail Maker
Simeon Darby son 16 General Labourer
Mary Darby dau 13 Scholar
Elizabeth Darby dau 11 Scholar
Joseph Darby son 6
Elizabeth Dainty boarder 68 (wid) Formerly Nail Forger born Stourbridge Worcs.
Rest born Dudley Worcs.

1891 Census 63 Bumble Hole Dudley Worcs.
Caleb Darby Head 59 General Labourer
Harriott Darby wife 57 Nail Maker
Mary Darby dau 23 Nail Maker
Elizabeth Darby dau 21 Nail Maker
Joseph Darby son 16 General Labourer
Rest born Darby Hand Dudley Worcs.

[Jimmy]

She dosn't seem to exist before the marriage.

[rockyfowler]

May be diff Family ??
Freereg
County Staffordshire
Place Wolverhampton
Church name St Peter
Register type
Marriage date 14 Dec 1834
Groom forename Thomas
Groom surname DODD
Groom condition Bachelor
Bride forename Sarah
Bride surname BOYRUM
Bride condition Spinster
Witness1 forename Sarah
Witness1 surname SCOTT
Witness2 forename John
Witness2 surname BIDDULPH
Notes Banns

1841
Friesland, Wolverhampton, Wolverhampton & Seisdon, Staffordshire, England


Thomas Dodd Male 30 1811 Staffordshire, England
Mary Dodd Female 30 1811 Staffordshire, England
Harriet Dodd Female 13 1828 Staffordshire, England
Anne Dodd Female 7 1834 Staffordshire, England
Sarah Dodd Female 5 1836 Staffordshire, England
Eliza Dodd Female 2 1839 Staffordshire, England
John Dodd Male 0 1841 Staffordshire, England


West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1856
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
DODD Ann PINCHES James West Bromwich, All Saints Sandwell Register Office 22/7/231
DODD Harriet FORD Thomas West Bromwich, All Saints Sandwell Register Office 22/7/230

[mumbles]

Tried Thomas Dodd, Sarah Dodd and Harriett Dodd all ways but no joy. As Jimmy says do not exist before marriage

[Jimmy]

These are the only Sarah Dodd I can see.

1851. Sedgley.
John Southan 52. Lawley, Shropshire.
Mary Southan 54. W Hampton.
Sarah Dodd 24. Niece. Bilston.
Betsey Adams 21. Servant. Willenall.

A couple of houses before
1851. Sedgley.
Richard Dodd 26. Bilston.
Sarah Dodd 22. Sedgley.
Isabelle Owen 18. Servant. Wolverhampton.

1841. West Bromwich.
Samuel Dodd 45.
Sarah Dodd 16.
Joseph Turford 40.
Mary Jones 1.
Joseph Timms 25.

There is also a marriage For a Mary Dodd to a Thomas Turford,

Groom surname TWIFFORD. Turford on WMBMD.
Groom age of full age.
Groom condition bachelor.
Groom abode Toll End,Tipton.
Groom occupation Miner.
Bride forename Mary
Bride surname DODD.
Bride age of full age.
Bride condition spinster.
Bride abode Toll End, Tipton.
Groom father forename Thomas
Groom father surname TWIFFORD.
Groom father occupation Farmer
Bride father forename Samuel
Bride father surname DODD.
Bride father occupation Publican.
Witness1 forename Joseph
Witness1 surname SHAW.
Witness2 forename John
Witness2 surname ALLEN.
Notes By Banns-Groom & witnesses signed (Witness 1 signed Joseph SHAW Jnr) Bride marked X.

[gardener]

I wondered about this bunch but I can't justify the name change

1881 Census 8 Canal Row Darby Hand Dudley Worcs.
Caleb Darby Head 49 Boat Man (Barge)
Harriott Darby wife 47 Nail Maker
Eliza Darby dau 20 Nail Maker
Simeon Darby son 16 General Labourer
Mary Darby dau 13 Scholar
Elizabeth Darby dau 11 Scholar
Joseph Darby son 6
Elizabeth Dainty boarder 68 (wid) Formerly Nail Forger born Stourbridge Worcs.
Rest born Dudley Worcs.

1851
William Walker 45
Mary Walker 47
Daniel Walker 16
Sarah Walker 14
Ellen Walker 9
William Walker 7
John Walker 4
Samuel Walker 2
Elizabeth Dainty 38 wid nailor born Stourbridge (sister of Mary Walker I think)
Harriot Dainty 17
James Dainty 13
Rosehanash Dainty 7
Sarah Dainty 4
Eliza Winnard 18

1841
Thos Dainty 30 miner
Elizth Dainty 25
Harriet Dainty 7
James Dainty 2

[gardener]

Name: Thomas Dainty
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 6 Oct 1811
Baptism Place: , Wombridge, Shropshire, England
Father: James Dainty
Mother: Harott Dodd
FHL Film Number: 510685
Reference ID: 2:1Z4ZN13


???

Though he may have died young [it may have been another who died young actually, aged 4 and baptised in 1806)

[Jimmy]

Census's puts Harriett age as born 1834, her death puts her age as being born in 1836.

Deaths Jun 1896.
Darby Harriet. 63 Dudley. 6c. 70.

[Jimmy]

Name: Harriot Dainty.
Christening Date: 03 Mar 1834.
Christening Place: ROUND OAK PRIMITIVE METHODIST,BRIERLEY HILL,STAFFORD,ENGLAND.
Birth Date: 10 Dec 1833.
Father's Name: Thomas Dainty.
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Tucker.
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C15777-1 , System Origin: England-ODM , GS Film number: 0990236 IT 16.

[Jimmy]

1891. 64 Bumblehole, Dudley.
John Turker 32. Looks like Tucker on image.
Elizabeth Turker 32.
John Turker 8.
Wilfred Turker 4.
Elsie M Turker 2.
Caleb Darby 55. Widow.Father in law. age is way out.
Joseph Darby 26. Visitor.

West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1892.
TUCKER John. DARBY Elizabeth. Dudley, St Edmund. Dudley Register Office. 201/009/124.

[Jimmy]

Thomas Dainty.
mentioned in the record of Thomas Dainty and Elizabeth Tucker.
Name: Thomas Dainty.
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Tucker.
Event Date: 25 Dec 1832.
Event Place: Old Swinford,Worcester,England.
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M04027-1 , System Origin: England-ODM , GS Film number: 527938, 527939, 527940, 527942, 527943, 533992, 533993, 533994, 533995, 533996.

[Jimmy]

Hariat Dod.
England Births and Christenings.
Name: Hariat Dod.
Gender: Female.
Christening Date: 30 Mar 1791.
Christening Place: WOMBRIDGE,SHROPSHIRE,ENGLAND.
Father's Name: Crispianus Dod.
Mother's Name: Hannah.
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C06490-1 , System Origin: England-ODM , GS Film number: 510685.

[Jimmy]

1841. Wolverhampton St, Dudley.
Jas B Darity 45. Miner. n.b.i.c.
Hamitt Darity 45. n.b.i.c.
Wm Darity 13.
Sarah Darity 10.
Jas Darity 6.

1851. Dudley.
Harriet Dainty 58. Widow. Dealer in small wares. Wombridge, Shropshire.
James Dainty 16. Son.
Hannah Hyde 29. Dau. Widow.
John Hyde 8. Grandson.
Benjamin Hyde 4. Grandson.

Freereg.
Dudley Staffs.
Church name Wolverhampton St Wesleyan Chapel.
Register type
Register entry number 1060.
Burial date 06 Feb 1842.
Person age 47.
Burial person forename James Ball.
Burial person surname DAINTY.
Burial person abode Dudley.

[gardener]

So is it possible that Thomas "Dainty" was baptised at Wombridge Oct 1811

this may be his parent's marriage even though it only says Ball

Name: Harriett Dodd
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 1 Dec 1811
Marriage Place: Wellington,Shropshire,England
Spouse: James Ball
FHL Film Number: 503537, 503538, 510681

Thomas grows up as Dodd/Dainty, marries Elizabeth and has kids. Family down as Dainty in 1841 and 1851 but use Dodd as the surname for Harriet's marriage in 1860.

Is that likely? I suppose Thomas could have used both names.

[Jimmy]

Looks good to me.