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We have John Wakelam on BCC here
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... lam-Family

Can we see if we can find him previous to marriage? I will add another thread for Selina.

Jo

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1861. Red Hall, Sedgley.
Major Hale, head, 27, ? Labourer,
Mary Wakelam, live together, 32,
Esther Wakelam. Daur, Illigit, 5,
John Wakelam, son, illigit, 3,
Elizabeth Wakelam, daur, iiligit, ? m?
All born Sedgley

1871. 14 West Street, Sedgley.
Major Hale, head, mar 38, Labourer,
Mary, wife, 42, Nailer,
Harriott, daur, 23, Brickmaker,
John, son, 13, Brick Maker,
Elizabeth, daur, 11,
Ann, daur, 5,
Mercy, daur, 3,
Ann, daur, 5 months,
All born Sedgley.

1881. 15 West Street, Sedgley.
Mary Hale, head, W, 56, Nailer
Elizabeth, daur, 21, Brickmaker
Anne, daur,15,
Mercy, daur, 12,
Sarah, daur, 9,
Sophia, daur, 7,
Thomas Wakelam, grand son, 11 months,
All born Sedgley

1891. 15 West Street, Sedgley.
Mary Hale, head, W, 64?
Anne, daur, 25, Labourer Brickyard
Mary, daur, 23, Labourer Brickyard,
Sopia, daur, 17,Labourer brickyard,
Marian, Grand Daur, 4,
All born Gornal

Jo, you could be on the right track. There's this marriage of a Major Hale and Mary Wakelam

Marriage: 1870 at St James, Lower Gornal No: 133
Major HALE & Mary WAKELAM

Thanks for looking and I have added that in look ups.
Jo

Thanks to RF

7 May 1870. St James, Lower Gornal.
Major HALE 36 B Labourer West Street Father James Hale Labourer
Mary WAKELAM 44 W Nailer West Street Father Benjamin Bate Labourer
After Banns The X Of Both
Wit; Joseph Jones X / Hannah Hickman X

Hmmmm...need thinking cap on this but must be right marriage, address is right.

I have added John's mother Mary Wakelam here

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... lam-Family

Mary states on her marriage to Major Hale that her father is Benjamin Bate, but I can't find a marriage of a Mary Bate & somebody Wakelam.

Will add Major Hale's parents and siblings on BCC tomorrow. My heads going round, as I thought I'd found Mary Wakelam's parents but was barking up the wrong tree

I think all the children are Majors as it says son or daur then illig??

I couldnt find a marriage, but I did come across something a bit odd. I will have to look and see if I can find it again. I think I was thinking they got in a muddle with the marriage info? See if I can find it again...
Jo

This is on freereg, but looking again it cant be right as she is a widow already?

8 November 1846. St John Kates Hill, Dudley
Benjamin Bate W, Labourer, Dudley, Edward Bate, Labourer
Mary Wakelam, W, Dudley, Aaron Wakelam, Labourer
Witnesses, John Castle, Elizabeth Wakelam

It could work actually...

1841. Masons End, Sedgley.
Aaron Wakelam, 34, Labourer
Rose. 34.
Mary, 15,
Elizabeth, 13,
James, 9,
Wm, 7,
Sarah, 4,
Esther, 1
All born in County

1851. Gornal Wood, Sedgley
Aaron Wakelam, head, 49, Labourer
Rosehannah, wife, 48,
James, son, 18, Labourer,
William, son, 17, Miner
Sarah, daur, 15, Nailer,
Sarah Hickman, visitor, 22, Brick maker,
All born Sedgley

1861. Gornal Wood, Sedgley.
Aaron Wakelam, head, 58, Lab,
Rosehannah, wife, 58,
Ann Bate, grand daur, 13
All born Sedgley

1871. 3 Water Road, Sedgley.
Aaron Wakelam, head, 68, Labourer,
Rosannah, wife, 67,
Both born Sedgley

1881. 6 Abbey Road, Sedgley.
Aaron Wakelam, head, 78, General labourer,
Rosehannah, wife, 78,
Lower Gornal


Lots of Evans Hales and Wakelams there too.
Jo

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1851. Red Hall, Sedgley.
Benj Bate, head, 30, Labourer at Mine, Kingswinford
Mary Ann, wife, 25, Nailer,
Sarah Ann, daur, 3, ? Ann who is with Aaron and Rosannah in 1861?
Eliza, daur, 2 months
All others born Sedgley

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31st May 1841. St Thomas, Dudley.
Benjamin Bate, B, Labourer, Shut End, Kingswinford, Edward Bate, Labourer
Hannah Dixon, S, Shut End, Kingswinford, Thomas, Dixon, Labourer,
Witnesses, Thomas Bate, Sarah Round

1841. Oak, Kingswinford
John Brown, 30, Labourer, not born in County
Sarah, 25,
John, 3,
Benjamin, 1,
/Benjamin Bate, 20, Labourer,
Hannah, 25,
All others born in County

1841. Gornall Wood
Joseph Oakley, 65, Nailer
Mary, 65
/James Hale. 35, lab,
Nancy, 30,
Major, 8,
John? 5
George, 2,
All born in County

1851. Red Hall, Sedgley.
James Hale, head, 44, Labourer at coal mine,
Ann, wife, 42, Nail
Major, son, 16? Iron miner
? son, 14, Coal miner,
George, son, 12, coal miner,
Mary Ann, daur, 8,
? Daur, 5,
All born Sedgley

From Free Reg
19th November 1832, St Thomas, Dudley
James Hale, B, Dudley
Ann Oakley, S, Dudley
Witnesses, Thomas Allen, Thomas James

47 8 Nov 1846 St John The Evangelist Kates Hill, Dudley
Benjamin BATE W Labourer Dudley Father Edward Bate Labourer
Mary Wakelam W Dudley Father Aaron Wakelam Labourer
After Banns The X Of Both
Witnesses, John Castle? X / Elizabeth Wakelam X

rockyfowler wrote:47 8 Nov 1846 St John The Evangelist Kates Hill, Dudley
Benjamin BATE W Labourer Dudley Father Edward Bate Labourer
Mary Wakelam W Dudley Father Aaron Wakelam Labourer
After Banns The X Of Both
Witnesses, John Castle? X / Elizabeth Wakelam X

Thanks RF for the marriage. So, Mary Wakelam states that she's a Widow on her marriage to Benjamin Bate and she's got the same surname as her father. I wonder if this Widow bit is a mistake by the vicar and should read Spinster.

The Witness Elizabeth Wakelam is possibly Mary's sister as this looks like them on the 1841 census:-

1841 Census: Masons End, Sedgley
Aaron Wakelam, 34, Labourer
Rose Wakelam, 34
Mary Wakelam, 15
Elizabeth Wakelam, 13
James Wakelam, 9
William Wakelam, 7
Sarah Wakelam, 4
Esther Wakelam, 1
(All born in County)

Elizabeth then goes on to marry:-

Marriage from FreeREG
14 December 1846 at St John, Kates Hill
John Casswell, FA, B, Miner, Dudley, John Casswell, Miner
Elizabeth Wakelam, FA, S, Dudley, Aaron Wakelam, Labourer
Wit: John Hale, Lydia Heath

I'll have a look at the Benjamin Bate side tomorrow.

We are looking up the same Hale & Wakelam families Jo

I've added Major Hale's parents here on BCC:-
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... ale-Family

And Aaron Wakelam family here:-

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... onnections

Shame to let all the work go to waste