"Complete"John Edwards

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Marriage Looked up by RF
22 Sep 1872 St Thomas Dudley
John EDWARDS 24 B Labourer Dudley Father John Edwards Labourer
Hannah RATHBONE 22 S Dudley Father Samuel Rathbone Labourer
After Banns The X Of Both
Wit; Eliza Taylor X / Seth Taylor X

Have added details on bcc but cannot find John Edwards before marriage
only one with father John is
John Edwards born 1802 Wheelwright not a Labourer

[grangers14]

Thats all I can see too Mumbles? May be just had wrong occupation down ??

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I will add with note

[gardener]

I think that must be the right one.

1891 Census 51 New Street West Bromwich Staffs.
John Edwards Head 43 General Labourer
Hannah Edwards wife 38 born Northwich Cheshire
Elizabeth Edwards dau 16 Hinge Packer
William Edwards son 14 Asst. Moulder
John Edwards son 10 Scholar born West Bromwich Staffs.
Walter Edwards son 6 Scholar born West Bromwich Staffs.
Alfred Edwards son Lodger 23 (m) Boiler Maker isn't this a nephew?
Sarah Edwards lodger 23 Iron Washer Maker born West Bromwich Staffs.
Maud Edwards lodger 1 born West Bromwich Staffs.
Rest born Oldbury Worcs.

1881
Alfred Edwards 36 born Portley Green, Worcs
Jane Edwards 37
Job Edwards 16
Alfred Edwards 14 born Oldbury
Elizabeth Edwards 10
Polly Edwards 8
John Edwards 4
Sarah J. Edwards 2
Arthur Edwards 1 mo

1871
Alfred Edwards 27 born Northfield, Worcs
Jane Edwards 28
Job Edwards 6
Alfred Edwards 4
Elizabeth Edwards 2

1861
John Edwards 59 wheelwright
Elizabeth Edwards 55
Alfred Edwards 17 born Northfield, Worcs
John Edwards 14 born Oldbury
Jane Read 42

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Have Added :-

1851 Census Chapel Lane Handsworth West Bromwich Staffs.
John Edwards Head 49 Wheelwright
Elizabeth Edwards wife 55 born Wombourne Staffs.
Job Edwards son 19 Carpenter born Tipton Staffs.
Elizabeth Edwards dau 15 Scholar
Jane Edwards dau 11 Scholar
Mary Edwards dau 6 Scholar
Alfred Edwards son 7 Scholar
John Edwards son 4 Scholar born Oldbury Worcs.
Thomas Edwards brother 48 (wid) Wheelwright
William Edwards nephew 23 Wheelwright born Birmingham Warks.
Henry Edwards nephew 15 born Tipton Staffs.
Thomas Edwards nephew 11 born Tipton Staffs.
Rest born Kings Norton Worcs.

1861 Census Portway Road Oldbury West Bromwich Staffs.
John Edwards Head 59 Wheelwright born Kings Norton Worcs.
Elizabeth Edwards wife 55 born Himley Staffs.
Alfred Edwards son 17 Scholar born Northfield Worcs.
John Edwards son 14 Scholar born Oldbury Worcs.

1871 Census Church Bridge Oldbury West Bromwich Staffs.
John Edwards Head 69 Wheelwright born Kings Norton Worcs.
Elizabeth Edwards wife 65 born Himley Staffs.
John Edwards son 24 Labourer born Oldbury Worcs.

but found :-

1841 Census Hue Cocks ( Between Crumble Bank and Bartley Lane Edgbaston Kings Norton Worcs.
John Edwards 30 Wheelwright
Sarah Edwards 30
Sarah Edwards 15
Susannah Edwards 12
Job Edwards 8
Elizabeth Edwards 4
Jane Edwards 2
John Edwards 5mths.

It would appear that John Edwards married possibly 3 times and as such children need to allocated to correct mother and marriages found

[gardener]

Was the first one Mary?

Name: Job Edwards
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 8 Aug 1832
Baptism Date: 17 Mar 1833
Baptism Place: St. Thomas, Dudley, Worcester, England
Father: John Edwards
Mother: Mary Edwards
FHL Film Number: 350608

Name: Susannah Edwards
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 31 Aug 1828
Baptism Place: St. Thomas, Dudley, Worcester, England
Father: John Edwards
Mother: Mary Edwards
FHL Film Number: 350608

Name: Sarah Edwards
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 26 Jun 1825
Baptism Place: Dudley, Worcester, England
Father: John Edwards
Mother: Mary
FHL Film Number: 350504

[gardener]

Name: Elizabeth Edwards
Baptism Date: 24 Jan 1837
Baptism Place: Northfield, Worcestershire, England
Father: John Edwards
Mother: Elizabeth Edwards
Reference Number: DRO14/6

Name: Jane Edwards
Baptism Date: 23 Oct 1838
Baptism Place: Northfield, Worcestershire, England
Father: John Edwards
Mother: Elizabeth Edwards
Reference Number: DRO14/6

[wheelwright, living Northfield]

[mumbles]

Thanks gardener I have added all but Mary
but cannot find marriages

[mumbles]

Just noticed that the Elizabeth and Jane baptisms do not tie up with 1841 Census when John Edwards and Sarah are together ?

[gardener]

Just noticed that the Elizabeth and Jane baptisms do not tie up with 1841 Census when John Edwards and Sarah are together ?

Oh dear!
There is this marriage

Name: John Edwards
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Widowed
Marriage Date: 22 Jun 1835
Marriage Place: Dudley, Worcester, England
Spouse: Elizabeth Sproson
FHL Film Number: 415189
Reference ID: p.100 #298

It is hard to know without any occupations on any records Is there any evidence for Sarah apart from the 1841 census? Any baptisms with her as the mother?

[mumbles]

Only way the Census and baptism records would tie up is if John Edwards married 4 times
Mary , Elizabeth, Sarah and Elizabeth
Possible key is John Edwards 5 mths on 1841 Census which could be child of Sarah and John

Ancestry have record showing Sarah Wheeler nee Edwards married a Joseph Wheeler and they emigrated to Australia and when she died her parents are shown on cert. as John Edwards and Mary Edwards ( formerly Twill) and Witness is brother Job Edwards who also emigrated to Australia with wife Harriett Edwards nee Turton

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Marriage Harborne 25/4/1852
Job Edward Carpenter father John Edwards Whheelwright
Harriett Turton father William Turton Blacksmith
Witnesses :- Isaac Turton & Susannah Turton ?

Australia Assisted Passenger Lists
"Earl Elgin" 30/7/1853
Job Edwards 22 Carpenter of Tipton father John & Mary Edwards (Father living in Oldbury)
Harriett Turton West Bromwich 22 father William & Elizabeth Turton Living West Bromwich
Noted as married 1year

Death Record of Sarah Wheeler 31 died 23/6/11857 Mitchell Street Glebe N.S.W. of Consumption father John Edwards Wheelwright ( Informant John Edwards The Brother of Mitchell Street Glebe N.S.W.)
Witnesses :- Joseph Wheeler & Job Edwards
Sarah married aged 26 to Joseph Wheeler Birmingham
Children :- Joseph Francis Wheeler 27mths.
and 1 girl Dead
Sarah born Staffordshire and 3 years in Australia

Job Edwards in 1876 noted as Proprietor of Bushmans Inn Mudgee N.S.W.

Married 21 /9/1876
Joseph Edwards 44 (wid) Carpenter born Staffs. father John Edwards ( Coach Builder) & Mother Mary Tilley
Caroline Rutter (wid) 39 born Staffs. father John White Barrister @ Law mother Esther Levy

Funeral Notice Job Edwards died 16/6/1888 of 98 Jones Road Forest Lodge N.S.W.

[gardener]

A tree on ancestry has this marriage linked in

Name: John Edwards
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Marriage Date: 9 Dec 1822
Marriage Place: St. Thomas, Dudley, Worcester, England
Spouse: Mary Till
FHL Film Number: 350496

Elizabeth's baptism is the right one I think, since it has John's occupation as wheelwright and it is at Northfield which is where the family was in 1841
Name: Elizabeth Edwards
Baptism Date: 24 Jan 1837
Baptism Place: Northfield, Worcestershire, England
Father: John Edwards
Mother: Elizabeth Edwards

and then this baptism also has father as a wheelwright

Name: John Edwards
Baptism Date: 4 Feb 1842
Baptism Place: Bartley Green, St Michael, Worcestershire, England
Father: John Edwards
Mother: Elizabeth Edwards
Reference Number: EP 80/2/2/1

I am inclined to think that the Sarah in the 1841 census is simply a mistake and it should be Elizabeth. Unless Elizabeth (mother of John who is 5 months old in the 1841 census) died when he was born and John married Sarah PDQ, and then John was baptised and his mother put as Elizabeth but no deceased next to it. And then Sarah died and John married another Elizabeth before the 1851 census. That seems a bit unlikely to me.

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Marriage St. Martins Birmingham Warks.
Joseph Wheeler 28 Bach. Digbeth Contractor father William Wheeler Well Sinker
Sarah Edwards 26 sp. Digbeth Father John Edwards Carpenter
Witnesses :- Henry Gittins & Susannah Edwards

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I think you are right about Sarah being wrong gardener