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COMPLETED Billinghams--NL adding to Bcc

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NOTE FROM NL SPLIT THIS TO RUN WITH WORKING OUT BILLINGHAMS
CAN WE CONNECT IN jOSEPH BILLINGHAM
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =679963617

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1891
George Bucknall 43 coal miner
Sarah 41
Harriet. 20 Chain maker
Annie. 16
William H 13
Isabella. 11
Richard. 8
Samuel. 5
Thomas. 2


1881
George Bucknall 33 coal miner
Sarah A. 30 chain maker
Harriet. 10
Annie. 6
William. 3
Christabella. 1
John Billingham 80 widow Boarder---WHO IS THIS....DOES HE CONNECT TO JOSEPH BILLINGHAM
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Re: Confused.....Nl will add but need HELP WORKING IT OUT

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1881

Jos. Billingham 43 chain maker quarry bank
Ellen Billingham 40
Selina Billingham 19
Phoebe Billingham 14
Jos. Billingham 9
Nellie Billingham 4
Mary A. Billingham 2

Class: RG11; Piece: 2864; Folio: 89; Page: 31; GSU roll: 1341686.

1871 bit mangled

Joseph Belangham 35 chain maker Quarry Bank
Ellen Belangham 29
Eliza Belangham 9
Portedge Belangham 4 [Phoebe]
Matthew Pritchards 40 boarder

Class: RG10; Piece: 2982; Folio: 127; Page: 17; GSU roll: 838866.
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Maybe

Name: Joseph Billingham
Gender: Male
Age: 22
Birth Date: 1841
Marriage Date: 22 Mar 1863
Marriage Place: Quarry-Bank, Stafford, England
Father: James Billingham
Spouse: Ellen Jones
FHL Film Number: 1040915
Reference ID: 182
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Thanks ...I will put marriage for look up

there is in 1881 a John Billingham living with Bucknalls
born about 1800
wondered if Joseph Billinghams father

trying to connect Joseph b abt 1838 to Billinghams on Bcc
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I noticed that the witnesses to the Billingham marriage was Albert and Ellen Bradley.
I always check out witnesses to see if they are brothers and sisters of the groom and bride
My conclusion is that Ellen is a Billingham:-
West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1894
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
BRADLEY Albert BILLINGHAM Ellen Cradley, St Peter Dudley Register Office 013/002/147

This may be of some help
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This may be of some help


I thought so too... but then it wasn't! I'll give it another go.
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Marriage info RF

So this looks good to add for Josephs marriage to an Ellen


22nd March 1863 Christ church Quarry Bank
Joseph Billingham 22 bach chainmaker Quarry Bank James Billingham chainmaker
Ellen Jones 21 spinster nail maker Quarry Bank John Jones Brewer
Banns
X Both
wit X Benjamin Cartwright X Sarah Cartwright

will add that asap to Bcc and add in Ellen

That Cradley marriage is worth a look up Thanks CS :wink:

So we have
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Ellen Billingham
John Billingham
and our Joseph....must connect somehow to Bcc ones
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So we have
an
Ellen Billingham
John Billingham
and our Joseph....must connect somehow to Bcc ones


Easy enough to say!

1891
Joseph Bucknell 23
Clara Bucknell 25
James Bucknell 2
Amy Bucknell 7/12
Joseph Billingham widr 49 [son in law]
Mary A Ditto 13
Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 2310; Folio: 108; Page: 45; GSU Roll: 6097420.

This is "our" Joseph Billingham, with daughter Mary Ann before she marries William Bucknall

Joseph is down as son in law which is clearly not quite right. Previous household is this one

1891
Caleb Pearson 57
Elizabeth Pearson 53
Caleb Pearson 22
Lilly Pearson 17
Sarah Pearson 15
Esau Pearson 12

and that fits with
Marriages Mar 1888
BUBB Maria Stourbridge 6c 185
BUCKNALL Joseph Stourbridge 6c 185
Pearson Clara Stourbridge 6c 185
POOLE Henry Stourbridge 6c 185

The Pearsons are on BCC here http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... son-Family

Note that Caleb Pearson is married to Elizabeth Jones bbt 1838, father John Jones and we already had

22nd March 1863 Christ church Quarry Bank
Joseph Billingham 22 bach chainmaker Quarry Bank James Billingham chainmaker
Ellen Jones 21 spinster nail maker Quarry Bank John Jones Brewer
Banns
X Both
wit X Benjamin Cartwright X Sarah Cartwright

so it could be that Elizabeth (Jones) Pearson and Ellen (Jones) Billingham were sisters, making Caleb Pearson and Joseph Billingham brothers in law (hence the odd son in law on 1891, i.e. it refers back to previous household).


1851 Census, Kingswinford, Staff. (Off BCC)
John Jones Head M M 50 Wood Collier Bewdley, Worc.
Ann Jones wife M F 39 Domestic Lye, Worc.
Felix Jones son U M 20 Puddler Kingswinford
Hannah Jones dau U F 16 Nailer Kingswinford
Elizabeth Jones dau U F 13 Nailer Kingswinford
Ellen Jones dau U F 8 Nailer Kingswinford
Emma Jones dau U F 4 Scholar Kingswinford
Salena Jones dau U F 10 mos. Kingswinford


1901 census has Joseph and Clara's son with his grandparents
Caleb Pearson 67
Elizabeth Pearson 63
Esau Pearson 23
James Bucknall 12
Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 2762; Folio: 42; Page: 21.

and finally, here is Ellen (Billingham) Bradley in 1901, with her sister Annie. As pointed out by CS, Albert and Ellen witnessed Mary Ann's marriage

1901
Albert Bradley 32
Ellen Bradley 26
John Bradley 5
William Bradley 4
Benjamin Bradley 1
Annie Billingham 13
Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 2755; Folio: 12; Page: 15.

1881
Jos. Billingham 43
Ellen Billingham 40
Selina Billingham 19
Phoebe Billingham 14
Jos. Billingham 9
Nellie Billingham 4
Mary A. Billingham 2
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 2864; Folio: 89; Page: 31; GSU roll: 1341686.

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Should perhaps look-up that Albert Bradley marriage to make sure of Ellen's father?
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As for Joseph, can people look at this please? His age varies a bit but probably no more than others. He is always a chain maker and born either Quarry Bank or Kingswinford. James and Pen's kids tend to put Quarry Bank as their birth place. Sorry about the mishmash of names, just straight copy and pasted.

1891
Joseph Bucknell 23
Clara Bucknell 25
James Bucknell 2
Amy Bucknell 7/12
Joseph Bellingham 49 chain maker Quarry Bank
Mary A Bucknell 13

1881
Jos. Billingham 43 chain maker Quarry Bank
Ellen Billingham 40
Selina Billingham 19
Phoebe Billingham 14
Jos. Billingham 9
Nellie Billingham 4
Mary A. Billingham 2

1871
Joseph Belangham 35 chain maker Quarry Bank
Ellen Belangham 29
Eliza Belangham 9
Portedge Belangham 4
Matthew Pritchards 40

1861
Penelepin Billingham 36
Joseph Billingham 21 chain maker Kingswinford [living at Quarry Bank]
Benjamin Billingham 14
Silvenas Billingham 11
Constant Billingham 6

1851
James Billingham 41
Pen Billingham 36
Allen Billingham 18
James Billingham 15
Joseph Billingham 11 chain maker Kingswinford [living at Quarry Bank]
Benjamin Billingham 5
George Beheuer 20

1841
James Billingam 30
Pennap Billingam 25
Mary Billingam 12
Allen Billingam 10
Joseph Billingam 2 [address is New Rd, Quarry Bank]
Thomas Malbert 2 [should be Walters]
Susannah Malbert 15

Is there other confirmation for this?
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Marriage looked up by RF

24 October 1894 St Peter Cradley
Albert Bradley 22 Bach Chain striker? Netherend Thomas Bradley Anvil maker
Ellen Billingham 20 spinster Cradley Forge Joseph Billingham Chain maker
banns
X both
wit Samuel Burgess Phoebe Priest
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Re: Billinghams--NL adding to Bcc

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Date on Cradley Marriage 24 and occupation is Chain Striker best regards RF :wink:
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rockyfowler wrote:Date on Cradley Marriage 24 and occupation is Chain Striker best regards RF :wink:


thanks RF amended my post will add to Bcc asap :grin:
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Thanks Gardener I have added to Bcc here
http://www.bcconnections.tribalpages.co ... i=62060872

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