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John Williams b.1800 Lilleshall

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1841. Gard Row,Donnington Wood,Lilleshall, Shropshire.
John Williams 35. Labourer.
Sarah Williams 35.
Thomas Williams 19.
George Williams 17.
Henry Williams 15.
Emma Williams 12.
All born in Shropshire.

1851 Donnington wood 261,Lilleshall,Shropshire
John Williams 49 labourer
Sarah Williams wife 46
All born Lilleshall,Shropshire

1861 Mechanie Row,Donnington Wood,Lilleshall,Shropshire
John Williams widow 59 works at coal pit b.Lilleshall

How can this John Williams be the same one who marries Mary Greaves-Adams
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Re: John Williams b.1800 Lilleshall

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Emma puts on marriage father JOhn Shoemaker

so we know emma Williams has father JOhn shoemaker............

John is widower on certif......but that 1841 is a bit odd......


The other emma jo found on prev thread was still with family in 1851.

So if that isnt John Williams shoemaker in 1841
where is emma in 1841
where is John shoemaker in 1841

is there a bapt for emma?
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Re: John Williams b.1800 Lilleshall

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Name:
Emma Williams
Gender:
Female
Christening Date:
07 Jun 1829
Christening Place:
LILLESHALL,SHROPSHIRE,ENGLAND
Father's Name:
John Williams
Mother's Name:
Sarah
Indexing Project (Batch) Number:C03272-2 ,System Origin: England-ODM ,GS Film number


That may or may not though be the emma with father john shoemaker :?
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Re: John Williams b.1800 Lilleshall

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Marriage info added by Jan and looked up by Maggie at the archvies
1848 : St John The Baptist, Halesowen
By Banns
Emma Williams, 19, S, Boro, Father John Williams, Shoemaker
Thomas Hall, OFA, B, Modeller, Boro, Father Thomas Hall, Chaser
Wit : Joseph Baker and Matilda Baker

1851. Edgbaston.
Thomas Hall 30. Modeller. Birm, Warwickshire.
Emma Hall 23. Shrewsbury, Shropshire.
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Re: John Williams b.1800 Lilleshall

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This is a different Emma
1841. Cornbow Street, Halesowen, Shropshire
John Williams, 45, Nail M,
Ann, 45,
Barzilla, 15,
Sarah, 12,
Emma, 11,
George, 7
All born in County

cos emma still there in 1851
1851. Great Cornbow, Halesowen
John Williams, head, 57, nailer
Ann, wife, 58, Baker,
Emma, daur, 23, Dressmaker
George, son, 17, nailer
All born Halesowen


emma of this family prob here.....in 1841
1841. Cornbow Street, Halesowen.
Joseph Baylis, 25, Brickmaker
Eliza, 25,
/Jane Williams, 20, nail maker
Mary, 1,
All born in County
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Re: John Williams b.1800 Lilleshall

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Northern Lass wrote:Marriage info added by Jan and looked up by Maggie at the archvies
1848 : St John The Baptist, Halesowen
By Banns
Emma Williams, 19, S, Boro, Father John Williams, Shoemaker
Thomas Hall, OFA, B, Modeller, Boro, Father Thomas Hall, Chaser
Wit : Joseph Baker and Matilda Baker

1851. Edgbaston.
Thomas Hall 30. Modeller. Birm, Warwickshire.
Emma Hall 23. Shrewsbury, Shropshire.



need this emma in 1841 pls anyone
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Re: John Williams b.1800 Lilleshall

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IGI father: John Williams mother: Sarah

Henry Williams
christening: 23 April 1826 LILLESHALL,SHROPSHIRE,ENGLAND


George Williams
christening: 12 September 1824 LILLESHALL,SHROPSHIRE,ENGLAND


Thomas Williams
christening: 13 October 1822 LILLESHALL,SHROPSHIRE,ENGLAND


Emma Williams
christening: 7 June 1829 LILLESHALL,SHROPSHIRE,ENGLAND


1841 Lilleshall
John Williams 35 labourer
Sarah Williams 35
Thomas Williams 19 stone miner
George Williams 17 ditto
Henry Williams 15 ditto
Emma Williams 12

Class: HO107; Piece: 906; Book: 3; Civil Parish: Lilleshall; County: Shropshire; Enumeration District: 18; Folio: 28; Page: 20; Line: 11; GSU roll: 474581

So that one is not a shoemaker
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Re: John Williams b.1800 Lilleshall

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gardener wrote:IGI father: John Williams mother: Sarah

Henry Williams
christening: 23 April 1826 LILLESHALL,SHROPSHIRE,ENGLAND


George Williams
christening: 12 September 1824 LILLESHALL,SHROPSHIRE,ENGLAND


Thomas Williams
christening: 13 October 1822 LILLESHALL,SHROPSHIRE,ENGLAND


Emma Williams
christening: 7 June 1829 LILLESHALL,SHROPSHIRE,ENGLAND


1841 Lilleshall
John Williams 35 labourer
Sarah Williams 35
Thomas Williams 19 stone miner
George Williams 17 ditto
Henry Williams 15 ditto
Emma Williams 12

Class: HO107; Piece: 906; Book: 3; Civil Parish: Lilleshall; County: Shropshire; Enumeration District: 18; Folio: 28; Page: 20; Line: 11; GSU roll: 474581

So that one is not a shoemaker



Agreed that is a different lot

but the Emma Williams that marries Thomas Hall on Bcc with father John a shoemaker
could be the dau of the John Williams on Bcc.............but we cant find them in 1841.
So where is the shoemaker in 1841 :?
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Re: John Williams b.1800 Lilleshall

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I've looked but can't find John as a shoemaker :?
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Re: John Williams b.1800 Lilleshall

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So it aint the JOhn Williams and sarah from Lilleshall ........wherever that is :?

But an Emma Williams b abt 1829 who marries thomas Hall ....looks to have a shoemaker father called John

but we cant find those on 1841

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Re: John Williams b.1800 Lilleshall

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:roll: Amazing innit some Brummie bird comes on and says "I've looked but can't find John as a shoemaker " and the other one says " So it aint the JOhn Williams and sarah from Lilleshall ........wherever that is ". Amazing!! Am i invisible or summat ?? :shock:
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Northern Lass wrote:Marriage info added by Jan and looked up by Maggie at the archvies
1848 : St John The Baptist, Halesowen
By Banns
Emma Williams, 19, S, Boro, Father John Williams, Shoemaker
Thomas Hall, OFA, B, Modeller, Boro, Father Thomas Hall, Chaser
Wit : Joseph Baker and Matilda Baker

1851. Edgbaston.
Thomas Hall 30. Modeller. Birm, Warwickshire.
Emma Hall 23. Shrewsbury, Shropshire.




Who are the witnesses can you trace them ?
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peterd wrote:
Northern Lass wrote:Marriage info added by Jan and looked up by Maggie at the archvies
1848 : St John The Baptist, Halesowen
By Banns
Emma Williams, 19, S, Boro, Father John Williams, Shoemaker
Thomas Hall, OFA, B, Modeller, Boro, Father Thomas Hall, Chaser
Wit : Joseph Baker and Matilda Baker

1851. Edgbaston.
Thomas Hall 30. Modeller. Birm, Warwickshire.
Emma Hall 23. Shrewsbury, Shropshire.




Who are the witnesses can you trace them ?


I couldnt even see a marriage....can anyone else?
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Re: John Williams b.1800 Lilleshall

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1841
Web Green Cottage, Lapal
John William 40
Elizabeth William 25
Peter William 20
George William 15
Mary William 15
Joseph William 14

is that this one? http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... ams-Family
still no Emma though so perhaps this is not her family? George seems to fit OK with the 1851, and the address is spot on.
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Re: John Williams b.1800 Lilleshall

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Is there a john williams cordwainer the witness are the baker there the ones i was on about
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