Genealogy Forum UK

Hello all I have a few relatives from the Black Country areas, well actually a lot but I will start with my most immediate:

(Grandmother)Helena May DOWNS-ROSE b 21 Aug 1924 in Dudley, Staffordshire;d. 01 Jun 1996 in Brigdport, Saginaw, MI, USA. She was a nurse during WWII and met my grandfather John Richard YOUNG who was serving at the time. He was b 05 March, 1925 in West Bromwich, Staffordshire d. 28 Dec 2010 in Saginaw, MI, USA.

Maternal Grandparent's side:
Helena's father was Frederick Nelson DOWNS-ROSE b 06 Apr 1900 in Dudley, Worcestershire, d. 18 Mar 1981 Scotland?He married Florence May WALLACE b. Dudley, Worcestershire in Mar 1889; d. Dec 1959 in Ikeston, Derbyshire, England. They also had a son Godfrey DOWNS-ROSE b. 21 Nov 1922 (who I believe has a relative on this forum as well .

Frederick's father was William ROSE b 1852 in Cradley; Heath, Staffordshire; d. 06 Apr 1919 in Dudley? He had a "special friend" Ellen DOWNES b. Jan 1876 in Nettserton, Worcesershire; d. 16 Jul 1901 in Dudley. She was Frederick's mother but not Williams legal wife who happened to be Jane SEVERNS; b. 07 May 1857; d. 4 Jun 1919? Frederick also had a sister Beatrice who died shortly after birth in 1898.

Paternal Grandparents side:
John's father was Henry Archer YOUNG b Oct 1884 in West Bromwich, Staffordshire; d. 30 Oct 1957 in West Bromwich. He married Ethel CARWRIGHT, who I cannot find anything about. They had 4 children; the other two deceased besides my grandfather John were Margaret YOUNG, who I believe was adopted and Philip Henry YOUNG b 1918 in West Bromwich. Philip died in Japanese War Camp in either 1944 or 1945. I think I found a document that states 26 Jul 1945, but my mother says 1944 and it was at a war camp so who knows. There is another "child" and is alive, so I won't mention them. Margaret YOUNG married a man named Frank FIELDS. They have two children I believe.

So that's my story or rather their story

Do you have the marriage record for Henry Young and Ethel Cartwright?
West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1917
YOUNG Henry A CARTWRIGHT Ethel West Bromwich, St Andrew Sandwell Register Office 26/4/386

If you do, do you have Fathers name and occupation and witnesses names?
Jo

No, all I have is her surname and it took place in West Bromwich. I found one of her kid's birth record with her surname on there. Very odd...

Maybe I am not looking hard enough. I will ask my mom about Ethel, she has a great memory about her parents' family even though she barely met them.

Gardener......................are you about?



will sticky this GEGAl and try and add what I can

more cousins!! cool!!

I'm here
Yes, cousins are always welcome.
Big family welcome to GreekEnglishGal!

two bad an enough without a third

So talked to my mother tonight about Ethel Cartwright, turns out she knew a lot. I finally found Ethel and her gigantic family. Good Lord people used to have a lot of kids. She had numerous siblings as did her parents. This will take a lot of time

Times were hard enough back then for women, I can't imagine parenting 10 kids. I don't think there was much co-parenting like there is today. I have two full-time stepchildren and oh my...

I wouldn't be able to hang out with these tough ladies!

GEG where did you get that death date from for Jane Severns?

as we have no death for her and have not been able to find one

do you know somat we dont?
If so spill the beans!!

Also Ellen Downs do you have full birth certif info

or Gardener do you?

GEG do you have the marriage info for Helena May Downs Rose and for John Richard Young 1946 Sussex
the full info you could transcribe on here?

do you have birth certif for John Richard Young

just want to verify his father to add to Bcc

Births Jun 1925
Young John R Cartwright W.Bromwich 6b 1446

Births Dec 1884
Young Henry Archer W. Bromwich 6b 838

Do we have a dob for this Ethel Cartwright now?

When is she born

Where is she born

loads on free bmd

is this her

Births Sep 1885
Cartwright Ethel W. Bromwich 6b 763


or this

Births Sep 1888
CARTWRIGHT Ethel W. Bromwich 6b 792


or
Births Jun 1891
Cartwright Ethel W. Bromwich 6b 872


chasing Ethel now

Monies on this Ethel..

1911
No 3 Black Lake, West Bromwich
Married 37 years, kids 5/5
John Cartwright 60 - Canal carrier, Chemical worker - b Wolverhampton
Jane Cartwright 59 - b Wednesbury
Ethel Cartwright 22 - b West Bromwich

living .6miles or 3 mins away

102 Billhay Street, West Bromwich
Married 32 years, kids 4/4
Harriet Emma Young 55 - married - b Lichfield
Henry Archer Young 26 - Odd caster worker, Holloware? foundry - b West Bromwich
William Archer Young 22 - Spring fitter - b West Bromwich

May already have this

Name: Henry Archer Young
Probate Date: 4 Feb 1958
Death Date: 30 Oct 1957
Death Place: Birmingham, England
Registry: Birmingham, England

Young Henry Archer of 79 Hamstead Road Great Barr Birmingham 22a died 30 October 1957
Probate Birmingham 4 February to Ethel Young widow.
Effects (P) 3,697 15s 11d


poss Ethel
Name: Ethel Young
Probate Date: 14 Sep 1961
Death Date: 21 Jul 1961
Death Place: Birmingham, England
Registry: Birmingham, England

Young Ethel of 169 Knightlow Road Harborne Birmingham widow died 21 July 1961 at Selly Oak Hospital Birmingham.
Probate Birmingham 14 September to Charles Edgar Hickman tube drawer and Lillian Hickman (wife of said Charles Edgar Hickman).
Effects (P) 1,171 15s.

Maybe not the right Ethel
1940
HICKMAN Charles E SMITH Lilian Rowley Regis, St Giles Sandwell Register Office 18/13/443

Poss kids

Births Sep 1918
Young Philip H Cartwright W.Bromwich 6b 1349

Births Mar 1921
Young Linda Cartwright W.Bromwich 6b 1628

Births Jun 1925
Young John R Cartwright W.Bromwich 6b 1446

Births Dec 1929
Young Trevor O Cartwright W.Bromwich 6b 1050

I don't have the actual records, but I'm sure my mother does. Henry Archer YOUNG was my great grandfather born in West Bromwich, Staff, he married Ethel CARTWRIGHT and I know for sure had three kids: John Richard YOUNG (my pop pop), Linda YOUNG, and Philip Henry YOUNG who died in a Japanese War Camp in 1944 ( not sure how she knows exact year). They adopted Margaret J Young who was Ethel's sister Alice Maud CARTWRIGHT's daughter who died in 1918. Margaret's real father was Gilbert M WILKINSON.

BTW Linda is still alive, I have never met her since I am in the states but my mom has many times...

Northern Lass wrote:GEG where did you get that death date from for Jane Severns?

as we have no death for her and have not been able to find one

do you know somat we dont?
If so spill the beans!!

Also Ellen Downs do you have full birth certif info

or Gardener do you?

Let me get back to you on her, I must have received it from My Heritage via another tree, I will double check. I have that she died 6 Apr 1919.