William Henry Oram b1879 northumberland

[Northern Lass]

I wonder if anyone has access to Ancestry or similar emigration records?

I am after the emigration details of a William Henry Oram b 1879 in Tynemouth Northumberland ...certainly northumberland.

I think he may have left between 1905 - 1907/8

The problem I have is that I am still not convinced he is not my Gt grandfather.

I have the birth certif for my nana which has her father as Daniel Simpson
and I have the marriage cert for my nana which has father as William Oram.
She is on the 1911 census with this Daniel Simpson and he has been covered in another thread.
Laura is down as a Simpson on there with her mother and her sibs are down as Oram which is what it says on there birth certifs.
Laura Simpson is the youngest age 3...born 16 April 1908
Minnie Oram is the next born 8 Nov 1905

there is no marriage at all for this Daniel Simpson and Amy Maud Beatrice Oram (nee Bell)

So I am not convinced that Daniel simpson is the father of Laura even though he is on birth cert
that could have been added to save face...perhaps Amy/Maud was already pregnant and Daniel offered to have his name on the certif.

I thought if I can establish when he went to america that would help
and
electoral registers.....are they every year?
Women got the vote in 1918..and I dont think they appeared on the actual registers till then...only head of house

On the birth cert mother puts down for Laura
16 April 1908 19 Dixon Street Bensham Gateshead
that might have been where Daniel was living not sure...


So if anyone has the emigration record for William Henry Oram that would help...

ta

[Jimmy]

So this is yours.

Marriages Jun 1900.
Bell Amy Beatrice M . Newcastle T. 10b 319.
Francis James. Newcastle T. 10b 319.
Lamb Jessie Bremmer. Newcastle T. 10b 319.
Lamb Jessie Bremner. Newcastle T. 10b 319
Oram William Henry. Newcastle T. 10b 319.

[Jimmy]

I can't see any emigration record that fits his age on the Ellis Island site,

[Jimmy]

1911 as this one, in Portsmouth.

ORAM WILLIAM HENRY, M, 1878, 33, Portsmouth, Hampshire.

Just checked it gives is birth place as Portsmouth.

[Jimmy]

I have tried Ancestry and Ellis Island, and nothing comes up that Fits.

[Anthony288]

Hi, not sure if I am doing this right but I have a bit more information on William Henry Oram. I am Grandaughter of Minnie Oram who was born 8th November 1905 and she told us that her Farther - the William Henry Oram mentioned above left when she was 3 months old. That would be Jan 1906. I cannot find him on the 1911 cencus and have been told that he went to either America or Australia - please can anyone help with any suggestions of how we can trace where he went. I would love to know (and so would my Mum).
Many thanks

Pat

[grangers14]

I have full Ancestry and have had a look over a few days but not found anything concrete. There is a man in Australia, William Henry Oram, on the electoral rolls but there is no way of knowing his age.
I also checked the Australain passenger lists, assisted passenger 1839-1871 and unassisted 1852-1923. You can find them here,
http://www.access.prov.vic.gov.au/publi ... ide023.jsp
I checked the Military records too but couldnt see anything.
I cant think of anything else.
Jo

[grangers14]

I have checked here,
Queensland BMD
https://www.bdm.qld.gov.au/IndexSearch/BirIndexQry.m
NZ
http://bdmhistoricalrecords.identityser ... nz/search/
nothing,
NSW Registry has,
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/search.htm
Marriage,
1902 William H Oram. Mary A Yeomans. Murrumburrah

1927, William H Oram. Helena F Hodges, Petersham

Deaths
1923 William H , fathrs name, William H and mother Mary A, Murrumburrah.
1948 William Henry, fathers name, Henry John, mother Amy Edith, Newtown

[Northern Lass]

Thanks Jo

so in 1906 he is still in England
so depending on age of that other one that might be him?

anythink on a census for that area?

[grangers14]

"It's galling for genealogists that Australian government policy is to destroy all name-related census material (it's done for privacy reasons); all the returns after 1901 have gone. Since censuses can be such a prime source in tracking family histories, this cuts off an important avenue for research."

Sorry.
Jo

[grangers14]

Just been trying to follow from some trees by them marriages. The 1927 marriage William Henry was born 1891 in Australia so thats out. His father was Henry John Oram 1876, born Australia too.

[grangers14]

Theres also find my past that has passenger lists, it does cost for viewing it mind. Doing a random search, using William including variants, birth year 1879+ - 2 years between 1890 and 1960. Including unstated first name and birth you get 51 hits!
ORAM Unknown M 1891 Liverpool Africa West Coast of Africa VIEW VIEW
ORAM Unknown F 1891 Liverpool USA New York VIEW VIEW
ORAM Adult F 1895 London Australia Hobart VIEW VIEW
ORAM Adult F 1895 London Australia Hobart VIEW VIEW
ORAM Unknown F 1896 Liverpool USA New York VIEW VIEW
ORAM 1879 M 1900 Southampton South Africa Cape VIEW VIEW
ORAM Unknown M 1901 Liverpool USA New York VIEW VIEW
ORAM Unknown F 1901 Southampton USA New York VIEW VIEW
ORAM Adult F 1905 Liverpool Australia Sydney VIEW VIEW
ORAM Unknown M 1906 Liverpool Canary Islands Grand Canary VIEW VIEW
ORAM Unknown F 1906 Liverpool Canary Islands Grand Canary VIEW VIEW
ORAM Unknown F 1906 Liverpool Canary Islands Grand Canary VIEW VIEW
ORAM Unknown M 1906 Liverpool Pakistan Karachi VIEW VIEW
ORAM Unknown M 1906 Liverpool USA New York VIEW VIEW
ORAM Unknown F 1906 Liverpool USA New York VIEW VIEW
ORAM Unknown M 1907 Liverpool Canary Islands Grand Canary VIEW VIEW
ORAM Unknown F 1907 Liverpool Canary Islands Grand Canary VIEW VIEW
ORAM Unknown F 1907 Liverpool Canary Islands Grand Canary VIEW VIEW
ORAM Unknown F 1907 Liverpool Portugal Lisbon VIEW VIEW
ORAM Unknown F 1907 Southampton USA New York VIEW VIEW
ORAM Unknown M 1908 Liverpool Canary Islands Grand Canary VIEW VIEW
ORAM Unknown F 1908 Liverpool Canary Islands Grand Canary VIEW VIEW
ORAM Unknown F 1908 Liverpool Canary Islands Grand Canary VIEW VIEW
ORAM Unknown F 1908 London India Calcutta VIEW VIEW
ORAM Unknown M 1909 London Australia Fremantle VIEW VIEW
ORAM Unknown M 1909 London Malta Malta VIEW VIEW
ORAM Unknown F 1909 Glasgow USA New York VIEW VIEW
ORAM Unknown F 1910 London Australia Adelaide VIEW VIEW
ORAM Unknown F 1910 London Australia Adelaide VIEW VIEW
ORAM Unknown F 1910 London New Zealand Wellington VIEW VIEW
ORAM Unknown F 1911 London Australia Sydney VIEW VIEW
ORAM Unknown F 1911 Southampton South Africa Cape VIEW VIEW
ORAM Adult F 1912 Liverpool Canada Montreal VIEW VIEW
ORAM Unknown M 1912 London Egypt Port Said VIEW VIEW
ORAM Unknown M 1914 London Egypt Port Said VIEW VIEW
ORAM Unknown F 1936 London China Hong Kong VIEW VIEW
ORAM Adult M 1940 Liverpool Canada Quebec VIEW VIEW
ORAM F W Unknown M 1890 Liverpool USA New York VIEW VIEW
ORAM J W 1881 M 1916 Plymouth New Zealand Auckland VIEW VIEW
ORAM W 1880 M 1907 Liverpool Canada Quebec VIEW VIEW
ORAM W C 1877 M 1914 London India Bombay VIEW VIEW
ORAM W C 1878 M 1922 Liverpool Pakistan Karachi VIEW VIEW
ORAM W C 1877 M 1924 Liverpool Pakistan Karachi VIEW VIEW
ORAM William Unknown M 1910 Southampton USA New York VIEW VIEW
ORAM Willie Unknown M 1910 Southampton USA New York VIEW VIEW
ORAM Wm 1877 M 1907 Glasgow Canada Quebec VIEW VIEW
ORAM Wm 1877 F 1908 Glasgow Canada Quebec VIEW VIEW
ORAM Wm Unknown M 1910 London New Zealand Wellington VIEW VIEW
ORAM Wm Unknown M 1911 Southampton USA New York VIEW VIEW
ORAM Wm A Unknown M 1907 Southampton USA New York VIEW VIEW

[grangers14]

That death in 1923 wont be right either will it? Well thats if I have followed William to his parents? Was it William henry his father and mother Mary Ellen Dall?
Jo

[Northern Lass]

1881 46 Linskill St., North Shields, Tynemouth
Mary E. Oram Head Mar. 29 Dress Maker b. Parish of Tynemouth
Mary C. Oram Daur 3 Scholar b. Parish of Tynemouth
W.H. Oram Son 1 b. Parish of Tynemouth

At 47 Linskill St., North Shields, Tynemouth are:
Mary A Dall Head Widow 57 b. North Shield
Jane E Dall Daur 20 School Teacher b. North Shield
James Dall Son 18 School Teacher b. North Shield
Lawrence Dall Son 16 Apprentice Coach Pointing b. North Shield
Richard Dall Son 14 School Teacher b. North Shield
Hugh Dall Son 11 Scholar b. North Shield

Marriage:
Mary Ellen Dall 1871 Tynemouth Northumberland
William Henry Oram 1871 Tynemouth Northumberland

A family tree on Ancestry has Mary Ellen Dall who married William Henry Oram snr. as the daughter of Mary Ann Dyke married to Lawrence Dall.

[grangers14]

Not that its any help but,
1891 Census,
7 Park Cresent, Tynemouth.
Mary E Oram, wife, Mar, 39
Minnie, daur, 15,
William, son, 10,
Laurence, son, 8,
Mary A Dall, mother in law, wid, 61
Hugh, brother in law, 21, Grocers assistant,
Emily, visitor, m, 28,
James, visitor, m, 28, school master

all born North Shields