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COMPLETED.........Elizabeth Perkins Married Thomas Trowmans-

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St James Dudley , 13 November 1887 ,
Thomas Trowman 23 bach Forge Molder Netherton Father . Hiram Trowman Chainmaker
Elizabeth Perkins 24 Spinster netherton Father Joseph Perkins miner .
Both Signed
Wit William Slindon and Harriett Perkins ,
Thanks to Spes123

Thought this marriage might be on BCC http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... ans-Family

and here http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... ins-Family

I had hoped that the marriage would join both families ,but it fits neither families ,as the fathers are different .

Has anyone any ideas :grin:
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TROWMAN Elsie M LLOYD John W Dudley, St Andrew Dudley Register Office 205/014/318 1918
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1911
TROWMANS, Thomas Head Married M 46 1865 Ironworker Worstershire Dudley
TROWMANS, Elizabeth Wife Married 23 years F 47 1864 Worstershire Dudley
TROWMANS, Benjamin Son Single M 22 1889 Saddler Staffordshire Rowley Regis
TROWMANS, Elsie Daughter Single F 21 1890 Boot Machinist Staffordshire Rowley Regis
TROWMANS, Beatrice Daughter Single F 19 1892 Shop Assistant Staffordshire Rowley Regis

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26 Jan 1891 Christ Church Quarry Bank
Thomas TROMANS 25 B Chain Maker Dudley Wood Father Thomas Tromans Hose Nail Maker
Edith TROMANS 25 S Chain Maker Cradley Heath Father Paul Tromans Socket Maker
After Banns Both Signed
Wit; Joseph Harris / May Harris
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1881
TROMANS, Iram Head Married M 41 1840 Chain Maker
New Town, Worcestershire
TROMANS, Ellen Wife Married F 39 1842 Chain Maker
Cradley Heath, Staffordshire
TROMANS, Ester Daughter Single F 18 1863 Dress Maker
New Town, Worcestershire
TROMANS, Thomas Son Single M 16 1865 Labourer
New Town, Worcestershire
TROMANS, Martha Daughter Single F 14 1867 Scholar
Old Hill, Worcestershire
28, New Town, Dudley (Worcs)

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Re: Elizabeth Perkins Married Thomas Trowmans

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I am disconnecting that Thomas on Bcc from James as father..
we dont know that that Thomas married Elizabeth......

so it could be correct marriage I will add as a possible
needs the birth certif of one of the kids

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =480915434
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Re: Elizabeth Perkins Married Thomas Trowmans

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we have Hiram on Bcc here
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =225793264

Question is.....is this Thomas Tromans the son of Hiram?
is that the correct marriage for the Thomas with Elizabeth here...

1901 Census Meredith Street Cradley Heath.
Thomas Tromans 36 Iron Puddler Shingler,
Elizabeth Wife 36,
Benjamin Son 12,
Elsie Daughter 11,
Beatrice Daughter 9.

1911 6 Hingley Street Cradley Heath Staffordshire
TROWMANS, Thomas Head Married 46 Ironworker Worstershire Dudley
TROWMANS, Elizabeth Wife Married 23 years 47 Worstershire Dudley
TROWMANS, Benjamin Son Single 22 Saddler Staffordshire Rowley Regis
TROWMANS, Elsie Daughter Single 21 Boot Machinist Staffordshire Rowley Regis
TROWMANS, Beatrice Daughter Single 19 Shop Assistant Staffordshire Rowley Regis


if so we can connect up..... :?
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Yep cause Father Hiram is Chain-maker on Marriage. Must find Elizabeth Perkins with father Joseph , so not mine .
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dudleytaylor wrote:Yep cause Father Hiram is Chain-maker on Marriage. Must find Elizabeth Perkins with father Joseph , so not mine .


Yes I know Hiram is father of a Thomas Tromans and the that Thomas married an Elizabeth Perkins
but..............the question is..............how do we know that the ones on the 1901 and 1911 here..are that couple who married without getting one of the kids birth certifs to check mothers name.....do you see..


1901 Census Meredith Street Cradley Heath.
Thomas Tromans 36 Iron Puddler Shingler,
Elizabeth Wife 36,
Benjamin Son 12,
Elsie Daughter 11,
Beatrice Daughter 9.

1911 6 Hingley Street Cradley Heath Staffordshire
TROWMANS, Thomas Head Married 46 Ironworker Worstershire Dudley
TROWMANS, Elizabeth Wife Married 23 years 47 Worstershire Dudley
TROWMANS, Benjamin Son Single 22 Saddler Staffordshire Rowley Regis
TROWMANS, Elsie Daughter Single 21 Boot Machinist Staffordshire Rowley Regis
TROWMANS, Beatrice Daughter Single 19 Shop Assistant Staffordshire Rowley Regis
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1871 62 Halesowen Road Netherton Dudley
Joseph Perkins Head 42 Think it says coal miner ? Felton Shropshire
Elizabeth Wife 41 Dudley
William Son 19 Coal Miner
Edward son 12 scholar
joseph son 9 scholar
ELIZABETH Daughter 7
Eliza Daughter 4
Harriet 2

Harriet on marriage as Witness
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1861 Bumble Hole Netherton

Joseph Perkins Head 32 Coal Miner Felton Salop
Elizabeth Wife 32 Rowley Regis
George son 13 Bumble Hole
William son 9 Scholar Dudley
Richard son 7 Scholar Dudley
Selinea daughter 5 Dudley
Comfort daughter 3 Dudley
Edward son 2 Dudley
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11 Sep 1848 St Thomas Dudley
Joseph PERKINS 20 B Miner Darby End Father Richard Perkins Miner
Elizabeth COMMANDER 19 S Darby End Father William Commander Labourer
After Banns The X Of Both
Wit; Samuel Turner / Joseph Hill
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rockyfowler wrote:11 Sep 1848 St Thomas Dudley
Joseph PERKINS 20 B Miner Darby End Father Richard Perkins Miner
Elizabeth COMMANDER 19 S Darby End Father William Commander Labourer
After Banns The X Of Both
Wit; Samuel Turner / Joseph Hill

They are already on BCC here:
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... der-Family
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Thanks guys I have connected up Elizabeth and added in marriage for parents

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =484647698



I now need to be sure that Thomas Tromans who has father Hiram and married Elizabeth here
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =658507571

is the same Thomas with Elizabeth unknown and the kids here
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =480915434


can we find somat to link them so I dont have to send for a birth certif of one of the kids :?
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Wonder if this lot fits in somewhere :roll: :lol:

1891
KIRBY, Sarah Head Widow F 74 1817
Netherton, Worcestershire
KIRBY, Benjamin Son Married M 28 1863 Coal Miner
Netherton, Worcestershire
KIRBY, Annie Daughter In Law Married F 28 1863 Nail Maker
Netherton, Worcestershire
KIRBY, Frederick Grandson Single M 8 1883 Scholar
Netherton, Worcestershire
PERKINS, Harriett Granddaughter Single F 15 1876 Nail Maker
Netherton, Worcestershire
TROMANS, Nellie Granddaughter Single F 6 1885 Scholar
Netherton, Worcestershire

90, Northfield Road, Dudley
Staffordshire
1861
PERKINS, Joseph Head Married M 32 1829 Coal Miner
Hilton, Shropshire
PERKINS, Elizabeth Wife Married F 32 1829 Coal Miner
Rowley Regis, Staffordshire
PERKINS, George Son Married M 13 1848 Coal Miner
Bumble Hole Dudley, Worcestershire
PERKINS, William Son M 9 1852 Scholar

PERKINS, Richard Son M 7 1854

PERKINS, Selina Daughter F 5 1856

PERKINS, Comfort Daughter F 3 1858

PERKINS, Edward Son M 2 1859


Bumble Hole, Dudley
Staffordshire

1861
KERBY, Richd Head Married M 46 1815 Pit Bank Labourer
Dudley, Worcestershire
KERBY, Sarah Wife Married F 40 1821
Dudley, Worcestershire
KERBY, Louisa Daughter Unmarried F 19 1842
Dudley, Worcestershire
KERBY, Margaret Daughter Unmarried F 16 1845
Dudley, Worcestershire
KERBY, Mary Ann Daughter F 10 1851
Dudley, Worcestershire
KERBY, Richard Son M 8 1853
Dudley, Worcestershire
KERBY, Reuben Son M 4 1857
Dudley, Worcestershire
KERBY, James Son M 0 (1M) 1861
Dudley, Worcestershire
KERBY, Mariah Daughter F 2 1859
Dudley, Worcestershire

Northfield Road, Dudley
Staffordshire

1851
PERKINS, Joseph Head Married M 22 1829 Coal Miner
In Wales
PERKINS, Elizabeth Wife Married F 22 1829
Dudley, Worcestershire
PERKINS, George C Son M 4 1847
Dudley, Worcestershire
PERKINS, Maria Daughter F 2 1849
Dudley, Worcestershire

Windmill End, Dudley
Staffordshire


5 Jul 1868 St Thomas Dudley
George PERKINS 20 B Miner Dudley Father Joseph Perkins Miner
Mary Ann Kirby 20 S Dudley Father Richard Kirby Miner
After Banns The X Of Both
Wit; Louisa Smith X / James Smith X

1871
PERKINS, George Head M 25 1846 Worcestershire
PERKINS, Mary Ann Wife F 22 1849 Worcestershire
PERKINS, Elizabeth Daughter F 2 1869 Worcestershire
PERKINS, Sarah Daughter F 0 1871 Worcestershire
Northfield Road, Dudley
Staffordshire

1881
PERKINS, George Head Married M 32 1849 Carter
Dudley, Worcestershire
PERKINS, Mary A Wife Married F 31 1850 Nail Maker
Dudley, Worcestershire
PERKINS, Sarah Daughter Single F 11 1870 Scholer

PERKINS, Harriet Daughter Single F 6 1875 Scholer

PERKINS, George Son Single M 2 1879

PERKINS, Sophia Daughter Single F 0 1881


90, Northfield Rd, Dudley (Worcs)

Staffordshire
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