ARC TBC......................Ann Maria Woodward query

[mumbles]

This Woodward family connects to Rob

http://www.bcconnections.tribalpages.co ... =417613565

on 1871 Census Rob has :-

1) Ann Maria aged 19 ( original has Maria)
2) Ann's age as 69 ( Could be 60 or 69 on original)
3) Ann's age on previous Census records is 1861 49 , 1851 38 ,1841 25 ( Always younger than Richard)
4) Ann Maria marrying a George Pinnell in 1871 ( Richard Woodward shown as father)

But I have found :-
1881 Census 19, Beet Street Rowley Regis Dudley Staffs.
Ann Woodward Head (wid) 70
Maria Woodward dau (s) 30 Nail Maker
Thomas Woodward son 16 Coal Miner
Eliza Woodward dau 13 Scholar
Joseph Woodward son 9 Scholar
George Woodward son 2
All born Rowley Regis Staffs.
Note children cannot be Ann's but are probably Maria's out of wedlock

1891 Census 71 Hackett Street Rowley Regis Dudley Staffs.
Maria Woodward Head (s) 41 Nail Maker
Joseph Woodward son 18 Rivet & Bolt Maker
George Woodward son 12 Scholar
Hannah Woodward dau 9 Scholar
John Woodward son 4
Hannah Woodward sister (s) 43 Nail Maker
William Walthouse son.in.law 28 Rivet & Bolt Maker
Eliza Walthouse dau 22
Penelope Walthouse grd.dau 1
All born Rowley Regis Staffs.

1901 Census 123 Hackett Street Rowley Regis Dudley Staffs.
Maria Woodward Head (wid)50 Nailer
William Walters son.in.law 41 Rivet ? born Rowley Regis
Eliza Walters dau 32
John Woodward son 13 Labourer Coombs Wood Tube Works
Nellie Walters grd.dau 11
Joseph Walters grd.son 8
Samuel Walters grd.son 4
William Walters grd.son 2
Hannah Woodward sister (s) 43 Nail Maker
Rest born Blackheath Staffs.
Note sister Hannah ties up with Richard and Ann Woodward family

1911 Census 23 Hackett Street Blackheath Rowley Regis Dudley Staffs.
Emma Parkes Head (wid) Nail Maker born Halesowen Worcs.
Alice Parkes dau 17 Tredley & Blower born Blackheath Staffs.
George Moore boarder 56 Puddler born Cradley Heath Staffs.
Maria Woodward boarder (s) 50 Nail Maker born Blackheath Staffs.
Anna Pennels boarder (wid) 66 Nail Maker born Blackheath Staffs.

Note the name Pennels

Could it be that Richard and Ann had an Ann Maria and a Maria because something is wrong

[Northern Lass]

hmmmm it is odd

could she not be an Ann Maria and use name Ann and Maria ?

cos if 2 where are they both on census?

did she maybe leave husband?

[Northern Lass]

1847
WOODWARD Hannah Rowley Regis Sandwell Register Office RR/11/42

1850
WOODWARD Ann M Rowley Regis Sandwell Register Office RR/14/473

[mumbles]

Thanks RF

The plot thickens reference children of Maria Woodward as it would appear that

father of two of them when they married is different

1) 3 Jul 1899 Holy Trinity Old Hill
George Edward WOODWARD 20 B Tube Worker Waterfall Lane Father James Woodward (Dec) Rivet Maker
Mary Ann PERKS19 S Waterfall Lane Father John Perks Miner
After Banns Both Signed
Wit; George Perks / Sarah Perks

2) added by Rob 06-01-2013 Marriage lookup Rocky Fowler
21 Apr 1889 Holy Trinity Old Hill
William WALTERS 28 B Rivet-Maker Blackheath Father Samuel Walters Rivet-Maker
Eliza WOODWARD 20 S Blackheath Father Samuel Woodward Labourer?
After Banns The X Of Both
Wit; Joseph Poole / Samuel Mason

Might be worth looking for other children and who they married

[mumbles]

WOODWARD John T FINCH Martha Cradley Heath, St Luke Sandwell Register Office 20/5/237 1910

1911 Census 40 Tory Street Old Hill Rowley Regis Dudley Staffs.
John Thomas Woodward Head 23
Martha Woodward wife 21 born Old Hill Staffs.
May Woodward dau 1
Rest born Blackheath Staffs.
Married 1 year, 1 child

[Rob]

Nice to see Ann Maria Woodward back again.
I still have a headache from it all.
Pinnells' and Parkes' aaggh!!!

[mumbles]

Hi Rob,

You already have Joseph Woodward on
bcc but not connected to Maria but note that it is possible same one

Added by Jan
Marriage info
30 Aug 1897 Old Hill Holy Trinity
-Joseph Woodward- 24 - bach- Rivet maker- Gorsty Hill- ( Thomas Hughes Blacksmith is put in and then crossed out!)
-Maria Ruston- 20 spinster- Waterfall lane- Joseph Ruston - Labourer
banns
X both
Wit- James Ruston X and Polly Ruston(looks like Burton!!

and surprise surprise another different father but crossed out Thomas Hughes

[mumbles]

Possible marriage for another child of Maria Woodward
WOODWARD Hannah JARVIS John Blackheath, St Paul Dudley Register Office 012/003/444 1900

[mumbles]

Free BMD and WMBMD
Have only Hannah Woodward born 1847 Rowley
Ann Maria Woodward born 1850 Rowley
Another Ann Maria Woodward born 1851 West Bromwich is eliminated as father Edward Woodward

The Maria Woodward who is variously shown as single or widow with children must be right one as her sister Hannah lives with her in 1891 and 1901

but marriage to George Pinnell looks correct reference father on marriage record ?

Marriage of daughter Hannah to John Jarvis might help or not as someone on Ancestry has date 28/9/1900 but no father of Hannah

[Northern Lass]

Hi mumbles looks to me like they went their separate ways for some reason.

and that ann maria is ann Woodward on marriage to George Pinnell.

I have added in the 1871 census but could do with someone adding kids for that family if they have a moment?

Mumbles can you add and connect where you think?

I think Maria had kids by different fathers wot u think mumbles?

and looks like we need to connect Joseph?

[rockyfowler]

28 Oct 1900 St Paul Blackheath
John JARVIS 20 B Brick Maker Causeway Green Father James Jarvis Brick Maker
Hannah WOODWARD 19 S Hackett Street Blank no father`s details
After Banns Both Signed
Wit; Joseph Woodward X / Hannah Rimmel ? X

[rockyfowler]

26 Nov 1910 St Luke Reddal Hill
John Thomas WOODWARD 23 W Tube Screwer Old Hill Maria Woodward (Mother`s Name)
Martha FINCH 21 S Old Hill Father John Finch Collier
After Banns Both signed
Wit; Francis Parsons / Mary Ann hingley Bache

[mumbles]

I think you are right Nl I will add and connect with note

All down to RF with marriages which confirmed Maria had children by different fathers or no father
I tried finding fathers Samuel Woodward and James Woodward and they do not seem to to exist which probably proves the theory

[mumbles]

Have added all Woodward and Jarvis details and now chasing up Jarvis and Finch and others
Have not added Pinnell details

[Rob]

Nice one Mum!!

1911 Census 23 Hackett Street Blackheath Rowley Regis Dudley Staffs.
Emma Parkes Head (wid) Nail Maker born Halesowen Worcs.
Alice Parkes dau 17 Tredley & Blower born Blackheath Staffs.
George Moore boarder 56 Puddler born Cradley Heath Staffs.
Maria Woodward boarder (s) 50 Nail Maker born Blackheath Staffs.
Anna Pennels boarder (wid) 66 Nail Maker born Blackheath Staffs.

This is confusing.Anna Pennels? Hannah Woodward? Maria Woodward 50?