ARC TBC...............Willam Baker puzzle

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ARC TBC...............Willam Baker puzzle

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This William Baker
http://www.bcconnections.tribalpages.co ... =277845821
On Ancestry has this Jane Baker as his daughter and marriage to Sarah Newey 0n 24/7/1816

Jane Baker and William are already on bcc
http://www.bcconnections.tribalpages.co ... =152643752

Then on 1841 , 1851 and 1861 Census
we have :-
1841 Census Springsmire Dudley Worcs.
William Baker Head Miner born in County
Sarah Baker wife 40
Joseph Baker 15
William Baker 13
Aber Baker (male) 11
Selina Baker 9
S.A. Baker 7
C.E. Baker 3 born in County
Rest not born in county

1851 Census Springsmire Dudley Worcs.
William Baker Head 58 Coal Miner born Brierley Hill Staffs.
Sarah Baker wife 55 born Coseley Staffs.
Sarah A. Stanford dau.in.law (single) 20 Tailoress born Kingswinford Staffs.
Esther E. Baker dau 13 born Dudley Worcs.

1861 Census Springsmire Dudley Worcs.
Sarah Baker Head 65 (wid) born Sedgley Staffs.
Sarah Ann Kibs ( Hibbs ?) 24 born Springsmire Worcs.
Moses Jones lodger 24 Blacksmith
Ester Elizabeth Jones lodger 23
Sarah Jane Jones lodger 2
Rest born Springsmire Worcs

Sarah Ann Stanford married James Hibbs in 1854 and James appeared to have died as in 1865 Sarah Ann Hibbs married Joseph France
Marriage St. James Dudley 1865
Joseph France Bach. 45 father John France
Sarah Ann Hibbs (wid) 33 father Jonathan Stanford

If Sarah A. Stanford is shown as dau.in.law in 1851 to William Baker and Sarah how can her father be Stanford ?
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Re: Willam Baker puzzle

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Found a few doors up from Sarah Baker in 1851

1851 Census Springs Mire Dudley Worcs.
Joseph Stanford Head 25 Coal Miner born Kingswinford Staffs.
Matilda Stanford wife 24 Nailer
Thomas Stanford son 3
James Hibbs lodger 20 Coal Miner born Bitton Gloucs.
Abraham Stanford visitor 20 Coal Miner born Kingswinford Staffs.
Mabel Raybould servant 18 House Servant
Rest born Dudley Worcs.

This must be the James Hibbs that Sarah Ann Stanford married
and Stanford family must be her relatives
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Re: Willam Baker puzzle

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So is that marriage now to Sarah Newey not correct mumbles

Sarah marries a Jonathan Stanford then a Wm Baker

so those kids for Wm Baker could be his and his first wife.

And Jane could be Wm Baker and unknowns child.............born Shropshire


how do we know Jane links to that Wm Baker?
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Name: William Baker
Spouse's Name: Sarah Stamford
Event Date: 25 Dec 1834
Event Place: Saint Thomas,Dudley,Worcester,England
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M04014-3
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 378771, 378772, 378773, 378774, 378775, 378776, 378777
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not sure on this one
Name: Jonathan Stanford
Spouse's Name: Sarah Whitehouse
Event Date: 05 Feb 1816
Event Place: All Saints,West Bromwich,Stafford,England
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M01024-1
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 0873647 IT 5, 497347, 497348, 497349
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IGI bapts.

Jonathan Stanford christening: 3 August 1817 SAINT THOMAS,DUDLEY,WORCESTER,ENGLAND
parents:Jonathan Stanford, Sarah

Thos. Stanford christening: 8 July 1821 SAINT THOMAS,DUDLEY,WORCESTER,ENGLAND
parents:Jonathan Stanford, Sarah

Samuel Stanford christening: 13 April 1823 SAINT THOMAS,DUDLEY,WORCESTER,ENGLAND
parents:Jonathan Stanford, Sarah

Elizth. Stanford birth: 1 December 1824
christening: 26 December 1824 SAINT THOMAS,DUDLEY,WORCESTER,ENGLAND
parents:Jonathan Stanford, Sarah

Joseph Stanford christening: 12 November 1826 SAINT THOMAS,DUDLEY,WORCESTER,ENGLAND
parents:Jonathan Stanford, Sarah

Abraham Stanford christening: 4 November 1828 SAINT THOMAS,DUDLEY,WORCESTER,ENGLAND
parents:Jonathan Stanford, Sarah

Sarah Ann Stanford christening: 17 October 1830 SAINT THOMAS,DUDLEY,WORCESTER,ENGLAND
parents:Jonathan Stanford, Sarah


Mary Elizabeth Stanford christening: 1 January 1837 SAINT THOMAS,DUDLEY,WORCESTER,ENGLAND
parents:Jonathan Stanford, Sarah

Caroline Stanford birth: 13 April 1839
christening: 19 May 1839 SAINT THOMAS,DUDLEY,WORCESTER,ENGLAND
parents:Jonathan Stanford, Sarah
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Re: Willam Baker puzzle

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Something wrong.......if these are the kids how can Wm Baker and Sarah Stamford marry in 1834

that Wm Baker and Sarah Stamford marriage must be incorrect........

cos Caroline is born 1839........................ :shock:

Mary Elizabeth Stanford christening: 1 January 1837 SAINT THOMAS,DUDLEY,WORCESTER,ENGLAND
parents:Jonathan Stanford, Sarah

Caroline Stanford birth: 13 April 1839
christening: 19 May 1839 SAINT THOMAS,DUDLEY,WORCESTER,ENGLAND
parents:Jonathan Stanford, Sarah
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Name: Salina Baker
Christening Date: 26 Jul 1829
Christening Place: BRIERLEY HILL,STAFFORD,ENGLAND
Father's Name: Willm Baker
Mother's Name: Susanna
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C03392-2
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 426499, 426500

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26 Jul 1829 St Michael Brierley Hill
Salina Daur of William & Susanna Baker,Brierley Hill,Collier
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4 Nov 1828 St Thomas Dudley
Abraham son of Jonathan& Sarah STANFORD ,Shutend ,Engineer

17 Oct 1830 St Thomas Dudley
Sarah Ann Daur of Jonathan & Sarah STANFORD , Shuttend , Engineer

1 Jan 1837 St Thomas Dudley
Mary Elizabeth Daur of Jonathon & Sarah STANFORD ,Woodside, Engineer

19 May 1839 St Thomas Dudley
Caroline Daur of Jonathon & Sarah STANFORD ,Himley Road. Born 13 April 1839 , Engineer


2 Feb 1816 All Saints West Bromwich
Jonathan STANFORD Bachelor otp
Sarah WHITEHOUSE Spinster otp
By Banns Jonathan Signed The X Of Sarah
Wit; Samuel Standford / Mary Griffith X
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Do you think that Sarah AnnStanford bapt is not for ours then?
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =708356748

do I need to remove the bapt I added?
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Re: Willam Baker puzzle

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rockyfowler wrote:1 Jan 1837 St Thomas Dudley
Mary Elizabeth Daur of Jonathon & Sarah STANFORD ,Woodside, Engineer

19 May 1839 St Thomas Dudley
Caroline Daur of Jonathon & Sarah STANFORD ,Himley Road. Born 13 April 1839 , Engineer


2 Feb 1816 All Saints West Bromwich
Jonathan STANFORD Bachelor otp
Sarah WHITEHOUSE Spinster otp
By Banns Jonathan Signed The X Of Sarah
Wit; Samuel Standford / Mary Griffith X


So we must have 2 Jonathans and Sarahs

cos Caroline b 1839 and mary Elizabeth father is an engineer.

there was a marriage to a Jonathan Stanford and Sarah Petos? in 1834 ...cant remember where

so one in 1816
another 1834 .......................and later kids are the petos ones

that would work?
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Name: Jonathan Stanford
Spouse's Name: Sarah Petos
Event Date: 07 Dec 1834
Event Place: Kingswinford, Stafford, England
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M01234-4
System Origin: England-EASy


Wonder where this film is from ? Not St Mary Kingswinford :(
GS Film number: 1470765
Reference ID: p279 cn1401
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Re: Willam Baker puzzle

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I found this online but cannot find now :-

Sarah Ann Stanford married James Hibbs in 1854 and James appeared to have died as in 1865 Sarah Ann Hibbs married Joseph France
Marriage St. James Dudley 1865
Joseph France Bach. 45 father John France
Sarah Ann Hibbs (wid) 33 father Jonathan Stanford

This ties up Stanford and Hibbs link but this is contradicted by William Baker and Sarah being related to Sarah Ann Stanford unless latter being shown as dau.in. law is a red herring.
The Jane Baker on bcc is linked to William Baker and Sarah Newey on Ancestry but no validation and Wedding of Jane Baker does not help oth than shows father as William Baker
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24 Jul 1865 St James Dudley
Joseph FRANCE 45 B Miner Dudley Father John France Miner
Sarah Ann HIBBS 33 W Dudley Father Jonathan Stanford Engineer
After Banns Joseph Signed The X Of Sarah
Wit; G.Westbury /Sarah Lloyd
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