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ARC TBC -Lowe family of Wordsley - part 1

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This is the first of two posts about two generations of Lowe families in Wordsley.

William Lowe was the younger brother of my 3xgreat grandmother, Elizabeth Cardo nee Lowe. He was baptised at the Parish Church, Kingswinford in 1824, the son of Joseph Lowe and Mary nee Hammond. His parents died in 1827 and 1832. In 1841 he, along with his brothers Joseph and Edwin, are living with their sister and brother-in-law, Joseph & Elizabeth Cardo.

In November 1845, William married Emma Lowe at St. Mary’s Church, Kingswinford and they subsequently baptised 2 daughters at Holy Trinity Church, Wordsley – Elizabeth in 1846 and Mary Ann in 1847. William died in November 1847 from concussion of the brain – the result of picking a fight with another man after a prolonged drinking session. :roll:

In 1851, Emma and her daughters, together with Emma’s siblings, are lodging with a man named John Lander. In 1861, Emma is living with her brother Edward and his family. Her elder daughter, Elizabeth, is living with Emma’s mother Ann but I haven’t found the younger daughter, Mary Ann. Despite the fact that Emma is described as unmarried, she has a further 4 children, all using the surname Lowe - Sarah, b.c. 1853, Ellen, b.c. 1855, Joseph, b.c. 1858 and John b.c. 1860. :o Also living with the family is Joseph Poyner, a 36 year old unmarried glassmaker.

William & Emma’s daughters both married in the 1860s at St. Thomas’s Church, Dudley – Elizabeth to James Thomas in 1868 and Mary Ann to George Elwell in 1869.

In 1871, Emma is calling herself Emma Poyner, a widow, although I can find no evidence of her marrying Joseph Poyner. In addition to Sarah, Ellen, Joseph and John she has another daughter, Ann Maria, b.c. 1864. In the 1881 and 1891 censuses, Emma reverts back to calling herself Emma Lowe.

I’ve found marriages for John, Joseph and Ann Maria Lowe and they all state that their father was Joseph Lowe, a Glass Blower or Glass Maker. I can’t find any evidence for Emma marrying a Joseph Lowe either.

I’ve been trying to prove whether or not Emma was ever married to Joseph Poyner and whether he was the father of the 5 children born after William’s death. I think I’ve gone as far as I can without ordering GRO certificates but am reluctant to go to the expense as it all depends how truthful Emma was when registering births and deaths.

I’d be interested to hear if anyone else links to this family or has got any ideas on other avenues of research before I bite the bullet and start ordering certificates.
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Re: Lowe family of Wordsley - part 1

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bit of background ?
1841
CARDO, Joseph M 25 1816 Staffordshire
CARDO, Elizabeth F 25 1816 Staffordshire
CARDO, Thomas M 5 1836 Staffordshire
CARDO, Joseph M 2 1839 Staffordshire
LOWE, Joseph M 20 1821 Staffordshire
LOWE, Edwin M 15 1826 Staffordshire
LOWE, William M 10 1831 Staffordshire Bit young to marry in 1845?
Wordsley, Kingswinford
County: Staffordshire

2 Nov 1845 St Mary Kingswinford
William LOWE F B Moulder Wall Heath Father Joseph Lowe (Dec) Mason
Emma LOWE M S Wall Heath Father Edward Lowe (Dec) Bricklayer
After Banns William Signed The X Of Emma
Wit; Thomas Lowe X / Mary Ann Darby X
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Re: Lowe family of Wordsley - part 1

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The ages in this census entry are several years out, particularly for Edwin and William. Elizabeth was baptised in 1812 (actually 29 instead of 25); Joseph was baptised in 1818 (23 instead of 20); Edwin was baptised in 1821 (20 rather than 15); and William baptised in 1824 (17 rather than 10) so actually 21 when he married in 1845. William is shown as a Moulder's apprentice in 1841 which, I feel, would be more likely if he were 17 rather than 10.
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Re: Lowe family of Wordsley - part 1

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1841 census ages were sometimes rounded up or down to nearest 5 years.
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Re: Lowe family of Wordsley - part 1

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Do we have the Cardos on Bcc I can link Elizabeth Lowe to?

Adding to Bcc
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =482905269

1868
LOWE Elizabeth THOMAS James Dudley, St Thomas Dudley Register Office 204/026/187


1869
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
LOWE Mary A ELWELL George Dudley, St Thomas Dudley Register Office 204/027/68
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Re: Lowe family of Wordsley - part 1

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Do we have the other marriages for the kids pls

marches girl can you post the info on the other kids pls if you dont mind re their marriage info
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Re: Lowe family of Wordsley - part 1

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Have listed Baptisms of William & Emma's children; marriages of William and Emma, their daughters and three of Emma's children born after William's death; burials of William and Emma and relevant census entries. The Cardo family that Elizabeth links to is not on BCC.

St. Mary’s Church, Kingswinford - baptisms
25-01-1846 Elizabeth daughter of William & Emma Lowe, Wordsley, Moulder, b. 02-01-1846
07-11-1847 Mary Ann daughter of William & Emma Lowe, Brettell Lane, Moulder

St. Mary’s Church, Kingswinford - marriages
02-11-1845
William Lowe, of full age, bachelor, Moulder of Wall Heath, son of Joseph Lowe deceased, Mason, m. Emma Lowe, minor, spinster of Wall Heath, daughter of Edward Lowe deceased, Bricklayer. By Banns. He signed name, she made mark. Witnesses: Thomas Lowe & Mary Ann Darby.

St. Thomas's Church, Dudley - marriages
26-07-1868
James Thomas, 23, bachelor, Engineer of Dudley, son of Edward Thomas, Labourer, m. Elizabeth Lowe, 22, spinster of Dudley, daughter of William Lowe, dead, Labourer. By Banns. Both made mark. Witnesses: Joseph Lowe & Roseanna Lowe.

11-07-1869
George Elwell, 23, bachelor, Bricklayer of Dudley, son of John Elwell, Nailer, m. Mary Ann Lowe, 23, spinster of Dudley, daughter of William Lowe, dead, Moulder. By Banns. He signed name, she made mark. Witnesses: Emma Bradley & Henry Bradley.

26-11-1882
Joseph Lowe, 23, bachelor, Glassmaker of Dudley, son of Joseph Lowe deceased, Glassblower, m. Mary Ann Challingsworth, 22, spinster of Dudley, daughter of Joseph Challingsworth, Moulder. By Banns. He made mark, she signed name. Witnesses: William Harry Leek & Ellen Lowe.

07-06-1885
William Harry Leek, 22, bachelor, Warehouseman of Dudley, son of John Leek decd, Machine Clerk, m. Annie Maria Lowe, 24, spinster of Dudley, daughter of Joseph Lowe decd, Glassmaker. By Banns. Both signed name. Witnesses: John Leek & Ellen Lowe.

St. George’s Church, Newcastle-under-Lyme - marriages
25-12-1885
John Lowe, 26, bachelor, Puddler of Back 9 Garden Street, son of Joseph Lowe, Glass Blower, m. Deborah Lovatt, 23, spinster of 58, Kassells Street, daughter of Elijah Lovatt, decd., Forgeman. By Banns. He made mark, she signed name. Witnesses: John Dullson & Mary Allport.


Holy Trinity Church, Wordsley - burials
28-11-1847 William Lowe, Brettell Lane, 23
10-06-1899 Emma Lowe, Wordsley, 72


Census entries


1841- Wordsley Green
Ann Lowe, 30, In., Y
Saml. Lowe, 20, Moulder, Y
Thos. Lowe, 15, Moulder, Y
Emma Lowe, 14, Y
Edwin Lowe, 12, Iron Works, Y
Ellen Lowe, 7, Y
William Lowe, 1, Y
John Lander, 30, Labourer, Y

1851 - Wordsley
John Lander, Head, Unmarried, 42, Day Labourer, born Kingswinford
Ann Sutton, Lodger, Widow, 50, born Kingswinford
Emma Lowe, Lodger, Widow, 24, born Kingswinford
Edward Lowe, Lodger, Unmarried, 23, Moulder in Iron Works, born Kingswinford
William Lowe, Lodger, 12, born Kingswinford
John Lowe, Lodger, 9, born Kingswinford
Annie Lowe, Lodger, 6, born Kingswinford, Deaf & Dumb
Elizabeth Lowe, Lodger, 4, Kingswinford
Mary Lowe, Lodger, 4, Kingswinford

1861 - 5, California
Edward Lowe, Head, Married, 35, Iron Moulder, born Kingswinford
Hannah Lowe, Wife, Married, 25, born Kingswinford
Emla Lowe, Daughter, 4, Scholar, born Kingswinford (name is actually Amelia)

William Lowe, Son, 2, born Kingswinford
Joseph Poyner, Head, Unmarried, 36, Glassmaker, born Kingswinford
Emma Lowe, Unmarried, 36, born Kingswinford
Sarah Lowe, Daughter, 8, born Kingswinford
Ellen Lowe, Daughter, 6, born Kingswinford
Joseph Lowe, Son, 3, born Kingswinford
John Lowe, Son, 1, born Kingswinford

1871 - The Green Wordsley
Emma Poyner, Head, Widow, 44, Glass Ornamentor, born Kingswinford
Sarah A.Poyner, Daughter, 19, Glass Cleaner, born Kingswinford
Ellen Poyner, Daughter, 16 Glass Cleaner, born Kingswinford
Jos. Poyner, Son, 14, Glasscutter, born Kingswinford
John Poyner, Son, 12, Scholar, born Kingswinford
Ann Maria Poyner, Daughter, 7, Scholar, born Kingswinford

1881 - Buckpool
Emma Lowe, Head, Widow, 54, Glass Cleaner, born Wordsley
Ann Lowe, Mother, Widow, 80, born Wordsley
Ellen Lowe, Daughter, Unmarried, 26, Glass Cleaner, born Wordsley
Jos. Lowe, Son, 23, Glass Blower, born Wordsley
John Lowe, Son, 21, Labourer Ironworks, born Wordsley
Ann Maria Lowe, Daughter, 19, Glass Cleaner, born Wordsley

1891 - Buckpool
Emma Lowe, Head, Widow, 64, Observing in Glass Works, Wordsley
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Re: Lowe family of Wordsley - part 1

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Thanks Marchesgirl as always really helpful

going to copy this and post in Bc so I can sticky and remember to add to Bcc

Thanks again :wink:
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Re: Lowe family of Wordsley - part 1

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added most of this to Bcc

I couldnt see a marriage
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =903379986

interesting father is down as a Joseph Lowe on marriages
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