ARC TBC - Charles Ireland

[snoopysue]

I'm looking for the 1861 Census for Charles Ireland.
Here's what I know.

Charles Ireland born about 1812

1841 Census HO107 piece 1150 folio 4/19 page 30
Lichfield Road, Aston, Erdington, Warwickshire
Charles, 25, Lab,
Ann, 25,
John, 5,
George, 2,
None born in county

1851 Census
HO107 piece 2024 folio 166 page 7
Hunters Lane, Handsworth, Staffordshire
Charles Ireland, Head, Mar, 39, Night Man, Worcs Evesham
Ann, Wife, 38, Glos
John, Son, 15, Night Man, Glos Wynchent
George, Son, 7, Birmm
Elizabeth, Daur, 5, Handsth
Sarah Ann, Daur, 2, Handsth
Infant, Son, 3 weeks, Handsth

in 1861 his wife is here:
1861 Census RG09 piece 2122 folio 74 page 16
Ten Acres, Northfield, Worcestershire
Ann Ireland, Head, Mar, 49, Glos Winchcombe
George, Son, Unmar, 17, Tubes Maker, Warwicks Hockley
Elizabeth, Daur, Unmar, 15, Scholar, Staffs Handsworth
Charles, Son, 10, Scholar, Staffs Handsworth
William Oakes, Visitor, Widower, 63, Ag Lab, Glos Winchcombe

1871 Census RG10 piece 3084 folio 147 page 22
Tenacre St, Northfield, Worcestershire
Ann, Head, 59, Widow, Laundress, Glos Winchcombe
George, Son, Unmar, 27, Tube drawer, Warwicks Birmingham
Sarah A, Daur, Unmar, 22, Domestic Servant,
Charles, Son, Unmar, 20, Tube Drawer
Others born Staffs,Handsworth

1881 Census RG11 piece 2953 folio 43 page 25
Ten Acre St, Northfield, Worcestershire
Ann Ireland, Head, Widow, 67, Housekeeper (L H Kr), Glos Wincombe
George, Son, Single, 36, Engineer (Engine Driver), Warwicks B'ham
Abraham Chillingworth, Boarder, Widower, 79, Retired Farmer, Worcs Bromsgrove

I have a possible death for Charles:
Charles Ireland
Male
60 years
Labourer Winchcombe
Pyaemia, certified
Eben F/Toller, In attendance, Lunatic Asylum, Wotton, Kingshom, Gloucestershire

I've checked all the census records I can find for Wotton, but no Charles, and interestingly no Asylum either - there are some hospitals and almshouses though. Googling the asylum I find that it should be on Horton road, but an address search doesn't find a Horton Road in Gloucestershire.

Can anyone find something I've missed? Is this the correct death for Charles - there are several others, too many to order them all!!

[peterd]

I have a possible death for Charles:
Charles Ireland
Male
60 years
Labourer Winchcombe
Pyaemia, certified
Eben F/Toller, In attendance, Lunatic Asylum, Wotton, Kingshom, Gloucestershire

you tried finding eben f/toller on census ?

[peterd]

Ebenezer Toller Age:50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Spouse's Name: Mary E. Toller
Gender: Male
Where born: St Neots, Huntingdon, England
Civil parish: Gloucester Barton St Michael
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Street Address: Asylum Road
Occupation: M.R.C.S.E.L.A.C.F.M.L. Med. Supt. County Asylum

he at the asylum 1881 no inmate recorded

he there in 1871 inmates recorded images only - 29 pages

[gardener]

Is it worth tracking down John's marriage details to see if Charles was living?

This one?

Marriages Mar 1859
Brown Ann King's N. 6c 539
Griener Mary Augusta Pauline King's Norton 6c 539
Ireland John Kings N 6c 539
Perkins Thomas Kings N. 6c 539

[gardener]

Though I see from BCC that he is seemingly not deceased when Elizabeth married in 1868?

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... and-Family

[Jimmy]

A lot of patients in asylums in 1861 are down with just initials only, can't see him in.

[snoopysue]

Is it worth tracking down John's marriage details to see if Charles was living?

This one?

Marriages Mar 1859
Brown Ann King's N. 6c 539
Griener Mary Augusta Pauline King's Norton 6c 539
Ireland John Kings N 6c 539
Perkins Thomas Kings N. 6c 539

I've got the certificate for this, and Charles isn't down as deceased.

[snoopysue]

A lot of patients in asylums in 1861 are down with just initials only, can't see him in.

Trouble is he's either not on the census, maybe due to his death, or there's a misspelling or mistranscription, I think!

[BC Wench]

Is this a Brickwall or have you solved it?
Unless otherwise advised this will be moved to archived section within 24 hours

[snoopysue]

Is this a Brickwall or have you solved it?
Unless otherwise advised this will be moved to archived section within 24 hours

Still a brickwall

[BC Wench]

Thanks for letting me know snoopysue.

[BC Wench]

Is this still a Brickwall, or have you solved it?
Unless otherwise advised this will be moved to the Brickwalls Archived section
within 24 hours

[snoopysue]

Is this still a Brickwall, or have you solved it?
Unless otherwise advised this will be moved to the Brickwalls Archived section
within 24 hours

You can archive it for now, I can always get it reactivated if needed

[BC Wench]

Thanks snoopysue.