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William James HEATH b 1854 Chichester Sussex.

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I have been drawing blanks for a long time with this chap, just confirming my suspicions he was married to an Elizabeth took me months to prove, but now trail gone cold again, he appears no where after 1881, neither do his wife or child, assume its his kid. Spent countless hours in library looking up all the immigration records, but nothing conclusive or straws I can remotly clutch too, so I was wondering if people can look over what i have found so far, check If i have made correct conclusions and maybe even find out where he has gone to, please dont mention alien abduction just yet!

Let me take you through the research process and my reasoning and deductions so far, I hope I have not made mistakes, but looking at all facts and going through my process may help, if only if it is to show others how to reason thing through etc.
Be AWare, there are several people by the name of William HEATH living around Chichester and Porstmouth area who were born within a few years of 1854.

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    William James HEATH, b 1854 Chichester Sussex.
    Parents :
    William Robert O. HEATH b abt 1821 Guildford-next-Stoke Surrey.
    Elizabeth GORE b abt 1826 Chichester Sussex.
    Siblings
    Hannah Harriot (HEATH) NICHOLSON b abt 1850 Chichester Sussex.
    Alice LOCK b abt 1856 Chichester Sussex.
    Leonard HEATH 1859 -1880 Chichester Sussex. (died from TB)
    Albert HEATH abt 1863 Chichester Sussex.
    Olive kate WOOD abt 1865 Chichester Sussex.
    Ernest HEATH 1867 Chichester Sussex.

99% postitive married to a Mary Elizabeth SMITH - Pancras 1877 QTR J. Vol 01b, page 287.
Possible daughter : Alice.

Possible Presbyterian


William is an elusive person, He appears in the 1861 census living at home aged 7. See Chichester Subdeanery, subdistrict 5, Piece 623, Folio 88, Page 17 schedule 99.


1881 is an interesting census which I call musical chairs census, as it seems through my entire family tree, just about every household is entertaining another family member.

Established Fact number 1: The NICHOLSON HOUSEHOLD with Elizabeth and Alice HEATH.

Hannah is now married to John NICHOLSON.They have no children, but in the census they have an Elizabeth HEATH b abt 1851 and an Alice M HEATH b abt 1879, registered as sister-in-law and Niece respectivly to John NICHOLSON. See Leominster Littlehampton sussex, Distrcit 1, Piece: 1119 Folio: 23 Page Number: 37

so who is this mystery woman? It has to be a woman married to a man called HEATH, obviously, we can rule out one of John's siblings, only other candidates has to be Hannah s brothers. Leonard died about same time Alice born, but Elizabeth is still recorded as married and not widow, recorded as Bakers Wife. I have also found no record of Leonard having been married, the death certificate places him at his family home and signed by mothers mark, which also suggests he never moved out to start his own family. Ernest and Albert too young to be married to her to father a child in 1879 they end up marrying sisters. The only logical candidate is William.


Established Fact number 2 : A William HEATH living in London with his 16 year old Sister in law, Florence SMITH.

Census St Mary Islington,Islington East. District 27, Piece: 1119 Folio: 23 , Page Number: 37

Could this be some kind of private school or just being rented out for kids to stay in? WIlliam is marked as head of house. Note: his occupation is Baker.

Established Fact number 3: Research into Florence, the sister in law.
AS Florence is Sister-in-law and too young to be married, it must mean William is married to her sister.

Located Florence in 1871 census, Chelmsford, Essex,District 7 Piece: 1662 Folio: 121 Page Number: 1

No sign of Elizabeth, however going back to 1861 census,Chelmsford District 8, Piece: 1079 Folio: 127 Page Number: 4.

the Smith family have a Mary (E) ? listed, correct age as well. The transcriber is certain this is an E and well its too good a coincidence? could this be the Elizabeth staying with Hannah and John NICHOLSON in 1881? Maybe!

Established Fact number 4:A Marriage Found.
After an eternity of searching, I found an entry for a William James HEath and a Mary Elizabeth Smith last week. Pancras 1877 QTR J. Vol 01b, page 287. The certificate arrived a few days ago, and looks like we have a winner. Only slight change was WIlliams fathers name, listed as Robert HEATH, however we know his middle initial is R, seems to avoid confusion William Senior is using his middle name. Another interesting fact, the marriage was married in the Goldington Chapel according to rites etc of Presbyterians. So looks like William is a non-conformist, oh joy!

Conclusion

William is indeed married to Elizabeth who has a child called Alice M, these two are staying with Hannah and John in 1881, William is in London with his Sister in law. After that, they dissapear from all records. Well appear to. So where are they? Over to you!

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Re: William James HEATH b 1854 Chichester Sussex.

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Hi
I was surprised that nobody replied to this... until I looked at it!!!

What about the Daisy Heath in 1881? Is she another child for them?

Sutton, Surrey
Piece: 758
Folio: 66
Page Number: 14
Household Members:
Name Age
William Smith 59
Mary Smith 53
Francis Smith 19
Annie Smith 13
Daisy Heath 6mo born Holborn
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This may be a red herring but

there is a school registration entry

Daisy Elzth Heath, father Willm, address 212 Tufnell Park Road, date of birth 5.9.1880

and her brother I suppose

Willm Leon Heath, same details born 1.2.1882


Can someone look who is living at no. 212 Tufnall Park Road (Holloway area) in 1891?
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HOw did i miss that entry for baby Daisy HEATH on the 1881 Census for the Smiths? looks like continuing to keep things going with the musical chair census of 1881! I am trying to find the address on ancestry, Why cant ancestry have a street search like Find My Past do? I am off to library tomorrow, so if no one has that info by tonight, then I can look up for free in library.. Yay.

His proffesssion as a baker may have some bearing on things. Williams sister, Alice (HEATH) LOCK is married to a Samuel Palmer "Sam" Lock who is also a baker, even more interesting is they also moved to Islington area and made it thier home. So we have two Siblings with families, moved to London with the men being bakers.

Looks like the Daisy chase has died as well. Nothing turning up for me.
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It is all so confusing! The men seem to go off in their role as journeyman baker, but take their sister in law's along with them?

1881
Alresford

Samuel P. Lock 24 journeyman baker
Richard Lock father 56 master shoemaker
Olive Heath sister in law 16 domestic servant

meanwhile, Sam's wife Alice is at her parents' with the baby.

Chichester
William Heath 61
Elizabeth Heath 52
Ernest Heath 13
Alice Lock 25
Olive Lock 1

then by 1891 Alice is in Islington
Alice Lock 35
Olive Lock 11
Izabel Lock 6
Leonard Lock 9
William Lock 4
Earnest Lock 2
Arthur Lock 1
Albert Heath 28

and Olive and Leonard are in the school lists too, though not the same school as the Heaths.

You could try posting a new post and ask for the address look-up. Some folk have FMP.
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Thanks Gardener.

I had already found the Locks school records and now you know why I call 1881 "Musical Chairs Census" !

Not forgetting William is with his sister in law Miss Smith in 1 Miranda , while his wife Elizabeth is back down South visiting her Sister in-law with a 2 year old child , their 6 month old baby Daisy is back with the Smiths, assuming it is their child, we have not yet established that as a fact yet.

AS i said in my previous post, being in UK I can access full versions of all the genealogy sites for free in any library, I will be able to look up that address on Find My Past tomorrow in library.

DId you notice all the names of the kids staying with William and his sister-in-law? Did you also notice that she is listed as being a teacher-pupil. I wondered if that could have been a private school, or more likely its near a private school and the house is just where they are lodging.
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212 Tufnell Park Road, Piece 144, F110, pg2 5 Islington, Upper Holloway, Parish St Georges Enumeration District 25, is occupied by a John WYATT b abt 1842 and his family. Rather interestingly his occupation is a baker and confectioner, with his daughter working as a confectioners assistant.
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It is quite infuriating and a complete brick wall :(
I agree that the 1881 census looks as though those children are just boarding there. Perhaps the school was on an adjacent street. Still, quite a lot of hard work for young Florence.
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A little more progress made. Went into library today, used FInd My Past , I have Ancestry account which I use at home, and searched for the new kiddies, and low and behold there they all are, apart from William of course. I checked the census page in Ancestry, and no wonder why I could not find anything, the surname for the family had been entered as Castle, which is name of family living next door :? :roll: SO no wonder why none of my even basic searches registered in my mind that it was the family I was after, Castle looks nothing like Heath, so I may have seen this name but never bothered with it.

Anyway, the entry is

Edmonton middlesex, RG12 Piece 1061 folio 15 page 23
Road looks like 4 Wembury Road.

Elizabeth is listed as married and wife in the relationship to head, which proberbly resulted in confusion with being wife of Castle. Elizabeth is listed as livgin on her own means.

Children listed:
Alice - 12
Daisy 10
Willie 9
Mary 5
Lily 2

There is also a servant , Julie Wood, 48

So a little step nearer, but no sign of WIlliam.
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??
1898 Index of Wills and Administrations
HEATH William James of Ootacmund Nilgiris Madras India baker and confectioner died 27 December 1897 at University college hospital Gower street Middlesex Administration (with Will) (limited) London 15 June to James Edward Walker solicitor the attorney of Mary Elizabeth Heath widow Effects £550 10s 5d
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Thanks for that post, but now makes me want to go :-x With Ancestry. I was warned by people that the search is a load of :silent: A few months ago I went through all the all the William HEATH's returned for the Wills and Administrations on Ancestry, I checked that off my "to do list" as I did not find anything conclusive, I have just done another search for this and it has now returned that entry with India found at top of list.. , that would fit in with my Emmigration theory as well.

Now we have to simply prove that this is indeed my William and the same Mary Elizabeth.

I also think that this is a good example as to why people should re-visit old searches.. anyway..
Thank you again for your post!
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<<Edmonton middlesex, RG12 Piece 1061 folio 15 page 23
Road looks like 4 Wembury Road.>>

That address is in Highgate London N6.

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grangers14 wrote:??
1898 Index of Wills and Administrations
HEATH William James of Ootacmund Nilgiris Madras India baker and confectioner died 27 December 1897 at University college hospital Gower street Middlesex Administration (with Will) (limited) London 15 June to James Edward Walker solicitor the attorney of Mary Elizabeth Heath widow Effects £550 10s 5d



try finding mary elizabeth on 1911 census sometimes they still put in years married by mistake this will give you a year to look for a marriage if its there ?

might be worth sending for marriage cert

99% postitive married to a Mary Elizabeth SMITH - Pancras 1877 QTR J. Vol 01b, page 287.
Possible daughter : Alice.
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Established Fact number 4:A Marriage Found.
After an eternity of searching, I found an entry for a William James HEath and a Mary Elizabeth Smith last week. Pancras 1877 QTR J. Vol 01b, page 287. The certificate arrived a few days ago, and looks like we have a winner. Only slight change was WIlliams fathers name, listed as Robert HEATH, however we know his middle initial is R, seems to avoid confusion William Senior is using his middle name. Another interesting fact, the marriage was married in the Goldington Chapel according to rites etc of Presbyterians. So looks like William is a non-conformist, oh joy!



I looked for Mary Elizabeth but not come up with anything yet...
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you have this ?

1881; 1 Miranda Rd. St Mary Islington

William J. Heath 27 married baker,
Florence Smith 16 sister in law pupil teacher, Chelmsford, Essex
James R. Cackett 24 lodger
Henry W. Childs 11 kids scholars
Charles Childs 8
Arthur Moore 8
Charles Moore 8
Caroline Moore 4
Mansell Hawkins 7
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