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Arc tbc...............James Joseph Homer, father Eli

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I'm confused :?

I have just been filling in info. for this family on BCC ...

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =714468983

The son John Thomas Homer served with the Worcs. Regt and died in WWI

Now I have come across another 'Homer' in the pension records

James Joseph Homer , no.3650
7th Btn Worc. Regt
Address - 35 Constitution Hill, Dudley
Joined up 18 Mar 1915 Dudley aged 19years 3 days
His occupation listed as plasterer's labourer
Next of kin given as father - Eli Homer - Fountain Street, Dudley
He was discharged medically unfit for further service 8th June 1915

The Constitution Hill address is the one listed for the family in 1901
The Fountain Street address is the same address as that given for John Thomas' father - Eli Homer on his CWGC record.
Private HOMER, JOHN THOMAS
No. 45233, 1st/7th Bn., Worcestershire Regiment
Died 09/10/1917

Panel 75 to 77., TYNE COT MEMORIAL

Additional Information:
Son of Eli Homer, of 11, Fountain St., Dudley.

I am a bit confused as to who James Joseph is?
there is no James Joseph on the 2 censuses I have for this family :?

1901. 35 Constitution Hill, Dudley
Eli Homer,35,head,married, Clayworks labourer
Mary Ann,25,wife
John,5,son
Albert J,3,son
Fredk,1,son
Elsie M,1 month,daughter
Elizabeth Harper,13,Servant
All born Dudley

1911. 17 Tetnall St Dudley, Staffordshire
Eli Homer,45,Head,Widower,General Labourer, born Dudley Worc
John Thomas,14,Son, Errand Boy,Dudley Worc
Albert James,13,Son, School Newsboy,Dudley Worc
Frederick,11,Son, School And Newsboy,Dudley Worc
Nellie,8,Daughter, Dudley Worc
Eliza,6,Daughter, Dudley Worc

Any ideas?
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Re: James Joseph Homer, father Eli

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This would be his birth.

Civil Registration event: Birth
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Name: HOMER, Joseph James
Registration district: Dudley
County: Staffordshire
Year of registration: 1897
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume no: 6C
Page no: 6
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1911 census transcription details for: 47 Lomey Town Cradley Heath

National Archive Reference:

RG14PN17372 RG78PN1064 RD372 SD1 ED23 SN131
Reg. District: Dudley
Sub District: Rowley Regis
Parish: Rowley Regis
Enum. District: 23
Address: 47 Lomey Town Cradley Heath
County: Staffordshire
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
TROMANS, Henry Head Married M 68 1843 Chain Maker Retired Cradley Heath Staffs
TROMANS, Jane Wife Married 48 years F 70 1841 Old Age Pensioner Cradley Heath Staffs
TROMANS, Eyra Son Single M 29 1882 Iron Moulder Cradley Heath Staffs
HOMER, Joseph James Grandchild M 13 1898 No Trade Cradley Heath Staffs
HINGLEY, Mary Amn Boarder Single F 31 1880 Chain Maker Cradley Heath Staffs
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Re: James Joseph Homer, father Eli

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BTW this is Eli's marriage and it registered twice.

Civil Registration event: Marriage

Name: HOMER, Eli
Registration district: Dudley
County: Staffordshire
Year of registration: 1895
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume no: 6C
Page no: 66

MarriageFinder: Eli Homer married one of the following people:

MASON, Sarah

STEADMAN, Mary Ann

STEADMAN, May Ann

SMART, Thomas
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West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1895
HOMER Eli STEADMAN Mary A Dudley, St John The Evangelist, Kates Hill Dudley Register Office 203/007/188
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Re: James Joseph Homer, father Eli

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Thankyou Mark and Mallosa, :thumbup:
So this looks like another son.

I have posted that marriage for lookup too

Can't work out that grandparent connection just yet
... when Eli married Mary Ann was it her second marriage? .... first marriage ?? Steadman

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MarkCDodd wrote:1911 census transcription details for: 47 Lomey Town Cradley Heath

National Archive Reference:

RG14PN17372 RG78PN1064 RD372 SD1 ED23 SN131
Reg. District: Dudley
Sub District: Rowley Regis
Parish: Rowley Regis
Enum. District: 23
Address: 47 Lomey Town Cradley Heath
County: Staffordshire
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
TROMANS, Henry Head Married M 68 1843 Chain Maker Retired Cradley Heath Staffs
TROMANS, Jane Wife Married 48 years F 70 1841 Old Age Pensioner Cradley Heath Staffs
TROMANS, Eyra Son Single M 29 1882 Iron Moulder Cradley Heath Staffs
HOMER, Joseph James Grandchild M 13 1898 No Trade Cradley Heath Staffs
HINGLEY, Mary Amn Boarder Single F 31 1880 Chain Maker Cradley Heath Staffs


looks like this family on BCC ....
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... ans-Family

I will add the 1911 census
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Re: James Joseph Homer, father Eli

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something odd with this one..

I am not sure he is a son of Eli and Mary Ann Homer

on 1911 if Joseph James is James Joseph Homer he is down as Grandchild but before then word step was added to him.

So if this is his birth
1897
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Reference
HOMER Joseph J Rowley Regis Sandwell Register Office RR/118/16

Where is he in 1901
is he a Joseph James or James Joseph

and who is at that address 35 Constitution hill in 1911?

Henry Tromans dau seems to marry a Noah homer
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =711449560

but not looked that marriage up to see who Noah links to.

Wondering if Joseph/James Homer b 1897 is taken in by Eli? or put as son on war record.
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Re: James Joseph Homer, father Eli

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He might be Eli's nephew. Since he is living with his Grandparents we can assume one or both parents are pushing up daisies.

Eli could simply be the relative chosen as Next Of Kin.

Having a look at James Joseph's and John Thomas' signatures on their enlistment.....the Homer is identical.
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On the 1901 with Noah Homer and Eliza no James Joseph
only a Joseph aged 8
along with other kids
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1911 35 constitution Hill Dudley Worcs.
Ellen Steadman head 67 widow children born alive 15 1 still living 14 died b Kingswinford
James Steadman son 25 single Gas engine man fender works
Lily Gert Annie Homer 12 grand dau
Kate Homer 3
all others born Dudley
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1901 32 Constitution Hill Dudley
(few doors away from Eli and Mary Ann Homer
Ellen Steadman head wid 55 b Bromley Staffs.
James Steadman son 15 general labourer
Lily G Homer G.dau 2
Rich H Brevitt boarder s 24 unemployed
all others born Dudley
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Re: James Joseph Homer, father Eli

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Expat or anyone can you add in James Joseph as part of the family of Eli with a note.

Looks Like Ellen maybe the mother of Mary ann

can anyone find Mary ann Steadman b abt 1876 on 1891 or 1881 pls
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Transcribed and looks like Stedman
1881. Shropshire Row, Kingswinford
Ann Vickers, head, W, 59, Snesall? Shropshire
Ellen Stedman, daur, M, 32, labourer in brickworks
Sarah Jane Vickers, daur, 20 labourer in brickworks
Katherine, daur, 18, labourer in brickworks
Mary A Stedman, grand daur, 5, Dudley Worcester
All others born Kingswinford
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Transcribed and looks like Steadmans
1891. 35 Constitution Hill, Worcestershire
Elen Steadmans, head, W, 45, Bromley
Mary A, daur, 15
James, son, 6
Ann Stephens, Lodger, W, 77, Living on own means
Clara bennett, Lodger, 19, fender painter
All others born Dudley
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