*Archive?* Are Thomas and Henry Smith bros?

[Northern Lass]

Can we find them on prev census before marriage pls

father on marriages is a Henry but on Henry Smith blacksmith
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =960069985

and on Thomas Smith father is a miner
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =482389256

they both marry Steventon girls

[Jimmy]

1851. King St, Wollaston, Amblecote, Worcestershire.
Henry Smith 39. Engine Smith. Bridgnorth, Shropshire.
Harriet Smith 41. Stourbridge, Worcestershire.
William Smith 18. Son. Stourbridge, Worcestershire.
Henry Smith 15. Son. Labourer in the ?. Stourbridge, Worcestershire.
Mary Ann Smith 7. Dau. Lodoate, Worcestershire.
Edward Smith 5. Son. Wollaston, Worcestershire.
Thomas Smith 3. Son. Wollaston, Worcestershire.
Sarah Smith 1. Dau. Wollaston, Worcestershire.

[grangers14]

BCC has this

1871; 6 Neooch? Street, Dalton, Lancashire
Henry Smith 36 - Labourer - b Worcestershire
Pricilla Smith 33 - b Darby end
H M Smith 14 - b Old Hill
Eliza Smith 12 - b Old Hill
Henry Smith 9 - b Old Hill
Jemma Smith 6 - Lancashire barrow
Emily Smith 4 - Lancashire barrow
Josiah Smith 34 - Brother - Labourer - b Old Hill
Thos Wright 25 - Boarder - Labourer - b Old Hill
Josiah Dery 25 - Boarder - Bricklayer - b Liverpool
Jos Green 20 - Boarder - Labourer - b Worcestershire
Sam Ponds 19 - Boarder - Labourer - b Worcestershire

A brother Josiah?

[grangers14]

??

1841. Stamber Hill. Old Swinford
Henry Smith, 25, Blacksmith, Not born in county
Harriet, 30, Not born in County
William, 8,
Henry, 5,
Stephen Cartwright, 9
Benjamin Cartwright, 6
All others born in County

[grangers14]

1861. Bourn Brook, Rowley Regis
Henry Smith, head, 25, Coal miner, Dudley
pricilla, wife, 22, Dudley
Ann, daur, 4,
Elizabeth, daur, 21 (Should this be 2?)
All others born Rowley Regis

[Northern Lass]

where is Josiah in prev census ?

[grangers14]

Been looking and looking and cant see him.

[grangers14]

I know we dont go by trees on ancestry but a lot have Henry married to Pricilla with father Henry and mother Hannah Hampton.


family search
16 Apr 1827 Saint Thomas,Dudley,Worcester
Henry Smith
Hannah Hampton


1841. Halesowen Road, Dudley
Hannah Smith, 35, Naylor
Lucy, 10,
Joseph, 6,
Henry, 4,
Abner, 1
All born in County

1851. Primrose Hill, Dudley
Hannah Smith, head, W, 46, Nail maker
Joseph, son, 17, Coal Miner
Henry, son, 15, Stone miner
Hadnor, son, 11,
Eliza, daur, 3
All born Dudley

I think this Hannah may have remarried
West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1856
WEBSTER Joseph SMITH Hannah Pensnett, St Mark Dudley Register Office 214/001/236

1861. Bottom Moor lane? Kingswinford
Joseph Webster, head, 60, Labourer in glass house
Anna, wife, 55,
George, son, 21,
Eliza Smith, daur in law, 13,
Abner Smith, son in law, 20,
James Roberts, Lodger, 56

They also have a Thomas as son listed.

There is this,
1841. Binty? Bank, Dudley
Thomas Hampton, 25, miner
Nancy, 20,
Edward, 4,
Mary, 2,
/Thomas Smith, 14, Miners ap
All born in County


Henry Smith on BCC is missing a child Eliza(beth) and I wonder about on BCC there is H M 1861 is Ann. I wonder what her name is?

[grangers14]

1851. King St, Wollaston, Amblecote, Worcestershire.
Henry Smith 39. Engine Smith. Bridgnorth, Shropshire.
Harriet Smith 41. Stourbridge, Worcestershire.
William Smith 18. Son. Stourbridge, Worcestershire.
Henry Smith 15. Son. Labourer in the ?. Stourbridge, Worcestershire.
Mary Ann Smith 7. Dau. Lodoate, Worcestershire.
Edward Smith 5. Son. Wollaston, Worcestershire.
Thomas Smith 3. Son. Wollaston, Worcestershire.
Sarah Smith 1. Dau. Wollaston, Worcestershire.

I wonder if Henry here is this one?
1861. 16 Wood Street, Dudley
Henry Smith, head, 25, Blacksmith, Stourbridge
Eliza?, wife, 21, Pedmore? (Transcribed as Gliza)
Thomas, son, 7, Dudley

West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1857

SMITH Henry NOAKES Eliza Dudley, St Thomas Dudley Register Office 204/016/357

[peterd]

BCC has this

1871; 6 Neooch? Street, Dalton, Lancashire
Henry Smith 36 - Labourer - b Worcestershire
Pricilla Smith 33 - b Darby end
H M Smith 14 - b Old Hill
Eliza Smith 12 - b Old Hill
Henry Smith 9 - b Old Hill
Jemma Smith 6 - Lancashire barrow
Emily Smith 4 - Lancashire barrow
Josiah Smith 34 - Brother - Labourer - b Old Hill
Thos Wright 25 - Boarder - Labourer - b Old Hill
Josiah Dery 25 - Boarder - Bricklayer - b Liverpool
Jos Green 20 - Boarder - Labourer - b Worcestershire
Sam Ponds 19 - Boarder - Labourer - b Worcestershire

A brother Josiah?

poss

1861 Bourn Brook ? Rowley Regis

Henry Smith 25 coal miner dudley
Precilla Smith 22 dudley
Ann Smith 4 rowley
Elizabeth Smith 21 daug ? rowley



house before

1861 Bourn Brook ? Rowley Regis


Thomas Smith 40 gas tube fitter
Eliza Smith 38 dudley
James Smith 19 gas tube fitter
John Smith 14 gas tube fitter
Samuel Smith 10
Mary A Smith 9
Amonriah Smith 3
Sophia Smith 8 Months
Mary Smith 74
rest born rowley



house after

1861 Bourn Brook ? Rowley Regis

Joseph Smith 33 horse nailmaker
Mary A Smith 24
Martha Smith 2
John Smith 3 Months
all born rowley

[grangers14]

I had seen the other Smith family on census. But havent seen them together and place of birth different?

[Jimmy]

??

1841. Stamber Hill. Old Swinford
Henry Smith, 25, Blacksmith, Not born in county
Harriet, 30, Not born in County
William, 8,
Henry, 5,
Stephen Cartwright, 9
Benjamin Cartwright, 6
All others born in County

So Henry here is not the son of Harriet,

Henry Smith.
Bride's Name: Harriot Cartwright.
Marriage Date: 04 Oct 1840.
Marriage Place: Dudley, Worcester.
Groom's Father's Name: Edward Smith.
Bride's Father's Name: Kemp Bailey.
Groom's Marital Status: Widowed.
Bride's Marital Status: Widowed.
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M01131-0.
System Origin: England-EASy.
Source Film Number: 350666.
Reference Number: Pg. 175 No. 350.

[Jimmy]

Henry Edward Smith.
Baptism/Christening Date: 25 Dec 1836.
Baptism/Christening Place: Dudley, Worcester.
Father's Name: Henry Smith.
Mother's Name: Hannah Smith.
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C04339-0.
System Origin: England-EASy.
Source Film Number: 350611.
Reference Number: Pg 229 No 1832.

or,

Henry Smith.
Baptism/Christening Date: 13 Mar 1836.
Baptism/Christening Place: OLD SWINFORD,WORCESTER.
Father's Name: Henry Smith.
Mother's Name: Susannah.
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C04027-4.
System Origin: England-ODM.
Source Film Number: 527942, 527943.

[grangers14]

Abners marriage may give us his fathers occupation

West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1869
SMITH Abner SUCH Anne Quarry Bank, Christ Church Dudley Register Office 016/001/260

1871. 26 High Street, Dudley
Abner Smith, 29, Clerk and Boot maker
Ann, wife, 25, Egbaston
Abner, son, 1
All others born Netherton

1881. High Street, Kingswinford
Abner Smith, head, 40, Master boot and shoe maker employing 1 man 3 apprentices 2 boys and 1 girl,
Ann, wife, 36, Egbaston
Abner, son, 11,
Thomas Josh, son, 9,
Samuel, 6, Pensnett
Lucy, daur, 3,
Annie, daur, 1, Kingswinford
All others born Netherton

1891. 126, High Street, Swansea,
Ann Smith, head, W, 56, Boot manufacturer, Birmingham
Abner, son, 22, Netherton
Florence sons wife, 20, Bromley
Samuel, son, 16, Pennsnett
Lucy, daur, 14, Pennsnett
Annie, daur, 12, Kingswinford

1901. 14 Clifton Terrace, Newhaven, Sussex
Abner Smith, head, 31, Boot maker and repairer, Netherton
Florence, wife, 28, Bromley
Ann, Mother, W, 56, Edgbaston
Florence M, daur, 9, Swansea,
Cissy, daur, 5, Brighton
Annie, daur, 3, Southwick

[Jimmy]

West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1869
SMITH Abner SUCH Anne Quarry Bank, Christ Church Dudley Register Office 016/001/260.

Abner Smith.
Groom's Birth Date: 1841.
Groom's Age: 28.
Bride's Name: Anne Such.
Bride's Birth Date: 1845.
Bride's Age: 24.
Marriage Date: 31 Jan 1869.
Marriage Place: Quarry-Bank, Stafford.
Groom's Father's Name: blank.
Bride's Father's Name: James Such.
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I01348-7.
System Origin: England-EASy.
Source Film Number: 1040915.
Reference Number: 260.