Fletchers ARCHIVE

[sp1]

Split topic by NL
to run with here.....Doug said...
"Having found the following family in 1841 [at Constitution Hill] & in 1861 [at Oakey Well Street Dudley] and later up around Middlesbrough I still can't locate them in 1851. In 1849 they may have lived in Farthings Lane
Richard Fletcher born circa 1816; his wife Hannah born circa 1818; and their children Ann [1837], Ann Maria [1839], Solomon [1842], Daniel [1845] & Rosannah [1849].
Doug"



I can't see them in 1851 either, but I think I may have a connection to them!
Richards baptism is most likely the (extracted on IGI) one 23 June 1816 at St Thomas, Dudley, son of John and Ann.
I am looking at Richards sister Ann bapt 1821 as a possible ancestor - the year is slightly out from later records but she is the only Ann Fletcher with father John (whIch I know from her marriage) that I have been able to find.

Are you connected to them?

[Northern Lass]

This would be good if you can connect as you are both on Bcc
so can show the connection!

[sp1]

This would be good if you can connect as you are both on Bcc
so can show the connection!

There is the problem. I have my Ann's marriage 18 nov 1838 All Saints, Sedgley, to Thomas Southall - she is a tailoress and gives her father as John Fletcher. Later records would give her birthdate at around 1818 in Woodside (makes sense as many of her descendants lived there), but the only baptism is the 1821 one at St Thomas, Dudley. This was a recent discovery so am only just looking at it properly, but, surprisingly, there seem to be no other Ann Fletchers around this date with father John (only this one in fact). Additionally, one of her children was a Mathew Southall. Of the other Fletcher siblings and their descendants there were a number of Mathews, which is not all that common - why was that? Anyone? - so it looks promising.

I know baptisms often took place someone after birth so this is possible (in fact another post coming up soon which may be of interest to you NL and also at same time period at St Thomas!

[Maths girl]

Additionally, one of her children was a Mathew Southall. Of the other Fletcher siblings and their descendants there were a number of Mathews, which is not all that common - why was that? Anyone? -

Just wondering whether Matthew wasn't a popular biblical name as he was a tax collector -- never a popular profession!

[rockyfowler]

18 Nov 1838 All Saints Sedgley
Thomas SOUTHALL F B Furnace Man Sedgley Father Thomas Southall Furnace Man
Ann FLETCHER M Tailoress Sedgley Father John Fletcher Miner
After Banns The X Of Both
Wit; William Pidduck Emma Pidduck X

[rockyfowler]

Wit Marr?
Groom's Name: William Pidduck
Groom's Birth Date:
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age:
Bride's Name: Emma Southall
Bride's Birth Date:
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age:
Marriage Date: 16 May 1836
Marriage Place: Halesowen,Worcester,England
Groom's Father's Name:
Groom's Mother's Name:
Bride's Father's Name:
Bride's Mother's Name:
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status:
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status:
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M01376-1
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 0599888 IT 4, 886632, 886633, 886634, 886635, 886636, 886637, 886638
Reference Number:

[Jimmy]

Wit Marr?
Groom's Name: William Pidduck
Groom's Birth Date:
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age:
Bride's Name: Emma Southall
Bride's Birth Date:
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age:
Marriage Date: 16 May 1836
Marriage Place: Halesowen,Worcester,England
Groom's Father's Name:
Groom's Mother's Name:
Bride's Father's Name:
Bride's Mother's Name:
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status:
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status:
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M01376-1
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 0599888 IT 4, 886632, 886633, 886634, 886635, 886636, 886637, 886638
Reference Number:

WOR. Halesowen. St Johns. 16 May 1836.
William PIDDUCK. Otp. Widower.
Emma SOUTHALL. Otp. Spinster.
George G FIDDIAN. Sarah FELLOWS.

[sp1]

Some more on John and Ann:

1841 Greystone Street, Dudley
John Fletcher 60, not born in county
Ann 55
Mathew 30
Eliza 18
Rest born Worcs.

It looks like this Mathew is on BCC here:
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/fa ... her-Family

Note the marriage witnesses Richard & Hannah Fletcher - I think this is probably the couple from the original census query, and therefore Richard would be Mathews brother b 1816?

Apart from the Ann bapt 1821 already mentioned there is a baptism at St Thomas for Catherine dau of John & Ann Fletcher 31 July 1803. And then there is this:

1851 Holly Hall
John Fletcher Head, Wid, N.K. Stone Miner
Catherine Haywood, dau, wid, 50
Ann Haywood, gr.dau, 25
Sarah Haywood, gr.dau, 18, Bankswoman
Jane Haywood, gr.dau, 14, Bankswoman
Matthew Haywood, gr.son. 16, Stone Miner
Elizabeth Haywood, gr.dau, 12
Edward Haywood, gr.son, 10
Catherine Haywood, gr.dau, 9
Mary Haywood, gr.dau, 8
All born Dudley


So to summarise, we have so far:
John Fletcher & Ann with the following children
Catherine b abt 1801 married to unknown Haywood
Mathew b abt 1807 - already on BCC
Richard b abt 1816 married to Hannah
Ann bapt 1821 - if she is the Ann who married Thomas Southall later census give her a birthdate around 1818 in Woodside
Eliza b abt 1823
There must be other children as there are some big gaps!

[Northern Lass]

Split topic by NL
to run with here.....Doug said...
"Having found the following family in 1841 [at Constitution Hill] & in 1861 [at Oakey Well Street Dudley] and later up around Middlesbrough I still can't locate them in 1851. In 1849 they may have lived in Farthings Lane
Richard Fletcher born circa 1816; his wife Hannah born circa 1818; and their children Ann [1837], Ann Maria [1839], Solomon [1842], Daniel [1845] & Rosannah [1849].
Doug"



I can't see them in 1851 either, but I think I may have a connection to them!
Richards baptism is most likely the (extracted on IGI) one 23 June 1816 at St Thomas, Dudley, son of John and Ann.
I am looking at Richards sister Ann bapt 1821 as a possible ancestor - the year is slightly out from later records but she is the only Ann Fletcher with father John (whIch I know from her marriage) that I have been able to find.

Are you connected to them?

can someone post the 1841 and 1861 pls for richard

[Jimmy]

1841. Constitution Hill, Dudley.
Richd Fletcher 20. Stone miner.
Hanh Fletcher 20.
Ann Fletcher 4.
Ann Maria Fletcher 2.

1861. Oakenwell St, Dudley.
Richard Hetcher 43.Coal miner.
Hannah Hetcher 42.
Annmaria Hetcher 22. Dau.
Soloman Hetcher 18. Son.
Rosehannah Hetcher 12. Dau.
Rocheal Hetcher 7. Dau. Racheal.
Eli Hetcher 5. Son.

All born Dudley.

[sp1]

From the IGI (submitted entries), St Thomas, Dudley:
Children of John & Ann Fletcher:
14 Sept 1823 Eliza
14 Apr 1805 Edward
31 July 1803 Catherine
20Sept 1807 Matthew
18 Dec 1814 William
22 Sept 1811 Charles
6 Dec 1818 Sarah
8 Apr 1821 Ann
24 Sept 1802 Richard (d 18 June 1810)
23 June 1816 Richard

And some later ones, probably a different family:
22 Feb 1829 John (d 28 Feb 1830)
4 Jan 1836 Mary
5 March 1837 Choice
5 Feb 1832 Ann Maria

[sp1]

A SUBMITTED entry on the IGI has:
m 4 Aug 1845 Edward Pinnock (s of Edward Pinnock/ Mary Pearson) & Eliza Fletcher (d of John Fletcher & Ann, b 1823)

Which looks like this one:
1845 All Saints, Sedgley, Edward Pinnock & Eliza Fletcher 216/003/462

The date for Eliza ties in with the census:
1851 Old Mill, St James, Dudley
Edward Pinnock 26 Nailer
Eliza 28
Mary A 4
Edward 2
Rebekah 1
All born Dudley

[sp1]

From the IGI (extracted):
m Kingswinford 16 May 1836 Richard Fletcher/ Hannah Fudge

[grangers14]

16th May 1836. St Mary Kingswnford
Richard Fletcher otp
Hannah Fudge otp
Banns
Witnesses:- Thomas Walker. Mary Brownell

[sp1]

I have added the other children of John & Ann Flectcher to BCC, and connected up Henry Southall to father Thomas, and also added some of Thomas and Henry Southalls descendants.

Does anyone have any details on that Edward Pinnock/ Eliza Fletcher marriage in 1845 at Sedgley?