John Moore -Cradley

[Sharon]

Hi! Can anyone help me with any information on a John Moore who is recorded as a shopkeeper/greengrocer in Cradley between 1872-1878?
Many thanks, Sharon

[sparkstopper]

Long Shot:...
there is a John MOORE b. 1831 Fishmonger b.Kidderminster,
Living with John Mitchell 1824 Licensed Victualler in 1881 Census:
40 Wolverhampton Rd. Dudley. ??????

[Northern Lass]

Hi! Can anyone help me with any information on a John Moore who is recorded as a shopkeeper/greengrocer in Cradley between 1872-1878?
Many thanks, Sharon

do we have a dob?

I think we have yours on Bcc
can you give us the link for him Sharon pls or a dob to find him

[linell]

This is the one we found before, I think it is miss - [list=][/list]transcribed as Mooren

Baptist Road Cradley
Wm Hartland HD M 53 Tracemaker Cradley
Mary Wife 48 Halesowen
Rhoda D 22
Martha D 19
Charlotte D 8
Thomas Son 2 months
John Mooren LG U 22 Lab in Iron Works Ireland
Humphry Davies LG U 23 Labourer in Iron Works Ireland

Linell.

[Sharon]

Hi folks!-and thanks..
I'm like a dog with a bone with this! There's lots of archived stuff here - it was probably the first request I made.. John is my gt gt grandad, and I've never been able to find his dob or death..married Anne Turner Oldswinford may 1854, father William. I have researched their 9 children over the years for clues, following your excellent advice! Family on 1861 & 1871 census, not 1881. In August 1877 his daughter Harriet, & wife Ann die in the same week & are buried at St Peter's. Ann dies of typhoid, & her youngest brother, not her husband, registers the death. John is deceased on daughter Clara's marriage cert in 1880. Recently saw son Charles marriage to Sarah Bridgewater summer 1879, & dad John is recorded as a grocer. Now noticed a John Moore as a shopkeeper/ greengrocer on various directories of Cradley between 1872 & 1878...

[Northern Lass]

so it is this one
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =262857040

note he is a lodge with sons alfred and Harry?

is that correct can someone post the 1881 cnesus pls

[linell]

Can you post the 1861 and 1871 details Sharon, where in Cradley did they live, and what did John give for a place of birth and for an Occupation

Linell.

[linell]

Found the Census on BCC added by Jan here:-

1861 Cradley east side of Village
John Moore h mar 32 ( b 1829) b Cradley
Ann wife 31 b Staffs Rowley Regis Staffs
Charles son 5
Thomas 3
Dau 1 day old (that would be Clara)
all kids b Cradley

1871 High St Cradley
all born Cradley
John Moore h m 44 (b 1827) horse driver
Ann wife 43
Charles son unm 16 (b 1855)
Thomas 13 Clara some middle name 10
Alfred 8
Harry 6
John H 4 (b 1867)
Harriet (some middle name) 2
Ann some midd name 2 mths

1881 Lodger with other bros Alfred and Harry and sister Clara and her hubby William Guise- info needs posting.

Where did John say he was born in 1871 I suppose someone who was a Labourer and Horse Driver could be become a Shop Keeper. His age in 1861 and 1871 fit with John Mooren who I found in 1851. I see the Marriage Witnesses were Thomas and Mary Moore, have you found them Sharon Linell.

[linell]

1881 Lomey Town Cradley Heath

William GUISE Head M Male 22 Worcester, England Labourer At Chain Works
Clara GUISE Wife M Female 20 Cradley, Worcester, England
James W. GUISE Son Male 4 m Rowley Regis, Stafford, England
Alfred MOOR Boarder U Male 17 Rowley Regis, Stafford, England Carter
Harry MOOR Boarder U Male 16 Cradley, Worcester, England Coal Miner
John H. MOOR Boarder Male 14 Cradley, Worcester, England

[Northern Lass]

Thanks Lin I will delete that not on Bcc so it isnt John snr

[linell]

The Vicar's Notes for 1857 have the family in High Street Cradley - John Moore Iron Worker, No Church, Works Half Day on a Sunday at Netherton. Ann No Church daughter of Turner 582A. Charles 2 in June and Thomas born Feb 1858.

Linell.

[linell]

This is the only Thomas and Mary Moore in Cradley that I can find:-

1861 Colley Gate

THOMAS MOORE Head Married 32 yrs
MARY MOORE Wife Married 28 yrs
ANN M. MOORE Daughter 7 yrs
LOUIZA MOORE Daughter 2 yrs

[peterd]

john might be one of these ?


MOORE John 1876 - Rowley Regis West Midlands Sandwell Register Office RR/33/436
MOORE John 1877 - Oldbury West Midlands Sandwell Register Office OLD/29/280
MOORE John 1879 - Rowley Regis West Midlands Sandwell Register Office RR/37/332

[Sharon]

What have I pressed-my post didnt post!
Presume these are deaths Peter-thanks I'll smash the piggy & send for the 1879...
The vicars notebook, 1861 & 1871 census info all correct Lin- as ever!John married Ann Turner
Clara Guise is John's daughter who is newly married with a baby and takes in her 3 teenage brothers (saint!) One of which is also named John.."mystery John" has a son & grandson of the same name...
John's age on married cert in 1854 is given as 24, making dob 1830, but census dates dont match exactly..each census says he is born in Cradley..
marriage witnesses Thomas & Mary.. i guess Thomas may be a brother, or friend, as there seems to be another family of same name..
In 1871 the family are in the High Street, John is a horse driver, one son a millman?, one a carter...

[linell]

Can't help much more Sharon, where is John in 1841, doesn't seem to be in Cradley A Millman worked in the Forge, Iron Worker. I think John Mooren is your John, but then it's up to you to make that decision, I would add him as a strong possible.

HTH Linell.