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*Archived * -John Sturman and ?

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Done a look up here....

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =786688987

it confirmed all the Williams stuff...apart from her name being transposed one way or the other... :roll:

but who is this John?
who is his mrs?
etc etc....

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Just throwing this in :?

1841: Colliers Row, H/Owen

John Sturman 25 Ag Lab (N)
Joel Sturman 25
Thomas Sturman 2
Willm Sturman 1

Living next door to Crumps ...and Jan...Shadrack is one of 'em :lol:


1861: Colliers Lane (next to Malt Mill Lane)

John Sturman 50 Head M Lab Crick, Northamptonshire
Joel Sturman 44 Wife Nailer
Wm Sturman 21 Son U Lab
John Sturman 19 Son U Lab
Edward Sturman 17 Son Lab
Henry Sturman 14 Son Nailer
Charles Sturman 11 Son Nailer
Samuel Sturman 7 Son
all others born H/Owen

1871: ???

1881: Long Lane, Hill, Worcs

John Sturman 70 Head M Corndealer Crick, Northamptonshire
Jael Sturman 63 Wife
John E. Sturman 13 G.Son Errand Boy H/Owen

Next door: Their Son (poss marr 1871: Sturman Charles Whitehouse Mary Stourbridge 6c 277)

Charles Sturman 31 Head M Corndealer
Mary A. Sturman 32 Wife
Thomas Sturman 9 Son
Miriam Sturman 7 Dau
Elizabeth Sturman 5 Dau
Frank T. Sturman 2 Son
Albert Sturman 2 mths Son
all born H/Owen


1891: Long Lane

John Sturman 80 Head Widower Corndealer
John E Sturmann 24 G.Son ? Lab

Son Charles and Mary still living next door
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Extracted.

JOHN STURMAN.
JAEL MOLE.
Marriage, 15 OCT 1837. Clent, Worcester,
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Thanks Jimmy :grin:
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Can't find John & Jael in 1851 or 1871

otherwise all on Connections .......here
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mallosa wrote:

1861: Colliers Lane (next to Malt Mill Lane)

John Sturman 50 Head M Lab Crick, Northamptonshire
Joel Sturman 44 Wife Nailer
Wm Sturman 21 Son U Lab
John Sturman 19 Son U Lab
Edward Sturman 17 Son Lab
Henry Sturman 14 Son Nailer
Charles Sturman 11 Son Nailer
Samuel Sturman 7 Son
all others [u]born H/Owen[/u]



Not sure if this is the same William Sturman b1840 that is aready on Connections??
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1851
87
Colliers Row, Halesowen
John Surman 40 - Ag Lab - b Crick
Jeal Surman 33 - Nailor
Thomas Surman 12 - Potter Lab
William Surman 11 - Nailor
John Surman 9
Edward Sturman 7
Henry Sturman 3
Charles Sturman 1
others b The hill

1871
166
Long Lane, The hill
John Stewman 60 - Corn dealer - b Crick, Northamptonshire
Joel Stewman 53
John Stewman 29 - Labourer
Charles Stewman 21 Stapler? moulder
Samuel Stewman 17 - Nail forger
others b Long lane, Worc

Next door
167
Henry Stewman 23 - Labourer
Mary Stewman 21 - b Cradley heath - Staple maker
John Stewman 3
Henry Stewman 1
others b Long lane, Worc
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The Ambridge Family Tree on Ancestry, belonging to suetoller, has a lot of detail on this family, including:

Children of John Sturman abt 1811 Crick, Northamptonshire - 1893 Blackheath West Midlands
& Jael Mole 1818 Clent - 1884 Blackheath West Midlands:

Thomas Sturman 1838 Blackheath, Halesowen(?) - 1915
Spouse: Ellen Dethridge
abt 1840 Halesowen, Worcestershire, England
Death:1904

William Sturman 1840 Blackheath, Halesowen (?) - 1871 


Spouse: Elizabeth Dingley Halesowen 1844
(daughter of Paarai Dingley & Mary Basterfield)

John Sturman 1841 Halesowen - 1877 



Edward Sturman 1844 Halesowen - 1900 

Spouse: Jane Fletcher 1850 Halesowen


Henry Sturman 1847 Halesowen - 1905 



Charles Sturman 1850 Halesowen - 1915 

Spouse: Mary Whitehouse 1859 Long Lane, Hill, Worcs.


Samuel Sturman 1854 Halesowen - 1916 

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It appears ( to use one of your terms Di) that whilst I sleep, the night shift finds the solution :P
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FS how do you find that info! ....fantastic census sensation! you and Di are so nifty at nite! :grin: :wink:

Ok so question we have as mally said 2 William sturmans
one is born Halesowen accord to census abt 1840 here.....son of John and Jael

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... onnections

then there is this one that says b Rowley Regis on census with wife Elizabeth....

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... onnections

I can only find one birth regis for a William Sturman
so are they one and the same
I think they are..

but then someone else on ances has William as son of a Thomas I think( off top of head)

What do we think
I cant check that marriage as at harborne? think it is...
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Here are William Sturman & Elizabeth Dingley, I think:

1871 Causeway, Blackheath
William Sturman Head 31 Rivit Maker b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Elizabeth Sturman Wife 26 Nail Maker b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
William Sturman Son 4 Scholar b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Phebe Sturman Daur 1 b. Staffs., Rowley Regis

1881 19 Oldbury Road, Blackheath, Rowley Regis
Elizabeth Sturman Head 33 Nail Maker b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
William Sturman Son 14 Coal Lab. b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Phoebe Sturman Daur 10 Scholar b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
In the same year:
At No. 16 Oldbury Road, Blackheath, Rowley Regis:
Paaria Dingley Head 56 Warehouseman b. Worcs., Halesowen
Mary Ann Dingley Wife 57 b. Worcs., Halesowen
Mary Barker Daur W 28 b. Worcs., Halesowen
Wm H Barker Son 5 Scholar b. Worcs., Halesowen
Mary Ann Barker Daur 3 b. Worcs., Oldbury
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1891 Malt Mill Lane, Hill, Worcestershire
Jarai Dingley Head 66 Tip (?) Factory Lab. b. Worcs., Halewowen
Mary A Dingley Wife 65 b. Bucks.
Elizabeth Shurman Daur Wid 45 b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
William Sherman Grandson 24 Tube Works Lab. b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
Phoebe Sherman Granddaur 21 b. Staffs., Rowley Regis
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NAME: William Sturman
BIRTH: abt 1839
DEATH: Sep 1871 - Dudley (To 1912), Staffordshire, Worcestershire
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I'm pretty sure that William Sturman, son of John & Jael, is the same as the William Sturman who married Elizabeth Dingley. I can't find another appropriate William either in census or bdms.
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dianel wrote:I'm pretty sure that William Sturman, son of John & Jael, is the same as the William Sturman who married Elizabeth Dingley. I can't find another appropriate William either in census or bdms.



I agree Di shall I link up William with Elizabeth to that John and Jael ..I think it is good.... :?
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