Richard Cartwright

[kims]

Trying to find Richard Cartwright born 1840 who married an Elizabeth born 1871 and is on the
1901 census with children
Richard age 12
Minnie age 9
Job age 7
Daniel age 2
Elizabeth age 1
Can only find this record of him. Anybody help please ?

1901 51 Mill St
Richard 1840 Coal haulier
Elizabeth 1871
Richard 1889
Minnie 1892
Job 1894
Daniel 1899
Elizabeth 1900

[Postcadia]

At a guess I'd say it was the Richard & Elizabeth at Cottage Street in 1891 with sons Harry & Richard: Piece: 2309; Folio: 20; Page: 10; The ages are a little adrift but that's not unusual.

If you are Ancestry user stantonkim I see that you already have this record saved to your tree (but not linked to the Richard in 1901 that you asked about).

Paul

[kims]

I did wonder if there was a previous marriage for him with Harry from the first marriage but this overall doesn't add up. I keep adding records that deleting them because it didn't make sense. I'm stuck !!!!!

[Postcadia]

I'm not sure what you're asking here

Apart from some variation in parents age, the 1901 record and the 1891 record add up - i.e. Richard (junior) born abt 1889, older sibling Harry who has left home by the 1901 census, the other children born after 1891.

If this is the correct record then Richard (senior) must have been married before.

Harry would be born c.1877 so the marriage would most likely be before that date. There's a marriage of Richard Cartwight in Dudley registration district in 1875 or two in Stourbridge a year or two later.

Paul

[peterd]

poss marriage

CARTWRIGHT Richard BROWN Elizabeth 1888 Brierley Hill, St Michael West Midlands Dudley Register Office 210/004/97

[peterd]

poss ? (altered to cartwright)
1861 High St, Kingswiniford
John Cortwright 54 miner-------------------note Job on image
Hariot Curtwright 49
Richard Curtwright 16 miner
Daniel Curtwright 12 miner
Harriet Curtwright 10
all born Kingswiniford

1871; 56 Cottage St, Kingswiniford
Richard Cartwright 24 miner ?
Betsey Cartwright 28
Isabella Cartwright 7
Julietta Cartwright 2
all born Kingswinford

born brierley hill
might be this guy age out slightly

1881; 11 Cottage Street, Kingswinford, Stafford
Richard CARTWRIGHT Head 36 Brierley Hill, Stafford, Coal Miner
Elizabeth CARTWRIGHT Wife 36 Oldswinford, Worcester,
Isabella FRANKS 17 Brierley Hill, Stafford, Brickyard Labourer
Julietta CARTWRIGHT 12 Brierley Hill, Stafford, Scholar
Daniel CARTWRIGHT 9 Brierley Hill, Stafford, Scholar
Henry CARTWRIGHT 4 Brierley Hill, Stafford,
Mary FRANKS Mother In Law W 62 Oldswinford, Worcester,[/quote]


henry poss harry in 1891
1891; 23 Cottage Street, Kingswinford, Stafford
Richard Cartwright 45 Clay (crossed out) Labourer
Elizabeth Cartwright 24
Harry Cartwright 14
Richard Cartwright 1
all born brierley hill

[peterd]

poss marriage

CARTWRIGHT Richard FRANKS Elizabeth 1869 Dudley, St Thomas West Midlands Dudley Register Office 204/027/296

[kims]

The marriage in 1888 gives his age as 42 so this would mean it is 6 yrs out, possible I suppose . The marriage to Elizabeth Franks also gives an age of 23 in 1869 making this also 6 yrs out. Both marriage certs give different fathers names . The marriage cert in 1888 states him as a widower.

[peterd]

The marriage in 1888 gives his age as 42 so this would mean it is 6 yrs out, possible I suppose . The marriage to Elizabeth Franks also gives an age of 23 in 1869 making this also 6 yrs out. Both marriage certs give different fathers names . The marriage cert in 1888 states him as a widower.

if you got the info then post it please it helps including witnesess

[peterd]

1871; 56 Cottage St, Kingswiniford

Richard Cartwright 24 miner ?
Betsey Cartwright 28
Isabella Cartwright 7
Julietta Cartwright 2
all born Kingswinford

born brierley hill

might be this guy age out slightly


1881; 11 Cottage Street, Kingswinford, Stafford

Richard CARTWRIGHT Head 36 Brierley Hill, Stafford, Coal Miner
Elizabeth CARTWRIGHT Wife 36 Oldswinford, Worcester,
Isabella FRANKS 17 Brierley Hill, Stafford, Brickyard Labourer
Julietta CARTWRIGHT 12 Brierley Hill, Stafford, Scholar
Daniel CARTWRIGHT 9 Brierley Hill, Stafford, Scholar
Henry CARTWRIGHT 4 Brierley Hill, Stafford,
Mary FRANKS Mother In Law W 62 Oldswinford, Worcester,

henry poss harry in 1891


1891; 23 Cottage Street, Kingswinford, Stafford

Richard Cartwright 45 Clay (crossed out) Labourer
Elizabeth Cartwright 24
Harry Cartwright 14
Richard Cartwright 1
all born brierley hill

addresses look good for this being the same family ?

[peterd]

1871; 56 Cottage St, Kingswiniford

Richard Cartwright 24 miner ?
Betsey Cartwright 28
Isabella Cartwright 7
Julietta Cartwright 2
all born Kingswinford

The marriage in 1888 gives his age as 42 so this would mean it is 6 yrs out, possible I suppose . The marriage to Elizabeth Franks also gives an age of 23 in 1869 making this also 6 yrs out. Both marriage certs give different fathers names . The marriage cert in 1888 states him as a widower.

in 1871 richard 24 so in 1888 he would be 41 or 42 depending on the time of year

23 in 1869 would be correct with 24 in 1871 as poss not 25 till after census

1901 census could be out ?

[peterd]

no carnt see richard on bcc

[Northern Lass]

Trying to find Richard Cartwright born 1840 who married an Elizabeth born 1871 and is on the 1901 census with children
Richard age 12
Minnie age 9
Job age 7
Daniel age 2
Elizabeth age 1
Can only find this record of him. Anybody help please ?

Ok this lot in 1901

I will add this to Bcc it helps if we can see it

we need that marriage info you have posted for us to help you too pls

1901 51 Mill Street Brierley Hill Staffs.
Richard Cartwright head mar 61 Coal Haulier Own account b Brierley Hill
Elizabeth Cartwright wife 30 b Lye
Richard Cartwright son 12
Minnie Cartwright dau 9
Job Cartwright son 7
Daniel Cartwright son 2
Elizabeth Cartwright dau 1
all others born Brierley Hill

so is this not them in 1891?

1891; 23 Cottage Street, Kingswinford, Stafford
Richard Cartwright 45 Clay (crossed out) Labourer
Elizabeth Cartwright 24
Harry Cartwright 14 ---------------------------Poss former wifes son
Richard Cartwright 1---------------------------Poss new wifes son
all born brierley hill

NOTE BETWEEN 1881 AND 1891 FIRST WIFE POSS DIES .............POSS IN 1887 AT KINGSWINFORD THAT FITS

1881; 11 Cottage Street, Kingswinford, Stafford
Richard CARTWRIGHT Head 36 Brierley Hill, Stafford, Coal Miner
Elizabeth CARTWRIGHT Wife 36 Oldswinford, Worcester,
Isabella FRANKS 17 Brierley Hill, Stafford, Brickyard Labourer
Julietta CARTWRIGHT 12 Brierley Hill, Stafford, Scholar
Daniel CARTWRIGHT 9 Brierley Hill, Stafford, Scholar
Henry CARTWRIGHT 4 Brierley Hill, Stafford,
Mary FRANKS Mother In Law W 62 Oldswinford, Worcester,


1871; 56 Cottage St, Kingswinford
Richard Cartwright 24 miner ?
Betsey Cartwright 28
Isabella Cartwright 7
Julietta Cartwright 2
all born Kingswinford

poss marriage
CARTWRIGHT Richard FRANKS Elizabeth 1869 Dudley, St Thomas West Midlands Dudley Register Office 204/027/296

Poss and only one that I could see....1889 CARTWRIGHT Richard Kingswinford Dudley Register Office KIN/140/312

2 poss for a Henry
1876
CARTWRIGHT Henry Kingswinford Dudley Register Office KIN/105/35

1877
CARTWRIGHT Henry Kingswinford Dudley Register Office KIN/109/87


can someone post the 1911 pls for Richard Cartwright and Elizabeth

ages on 1901 and 1891 are out so need 1911 if this family are on pls

[Northern Lass]

so 2 Elizabeths

one on 1881 his prev wife
one on 1891 and 1901 new wife

So Elizabeth Cartwright nee Franks dies....

this looks a possible on free bmd and then on wmbsgh

Deaths Mar 1887
Cartwright Elizabeth 44 Stourbridge 6c 114


1887
CARTWRIGHT Elizabeth Kingswinford Dudley Register Office KIN/073/69

if that is her then Richards birth in 1889 would give the new wifes maiden name

[rockyfowler]

1911
CARTWRIGHT, Richard Head Married M 71 1840 Navy Labourer On Brierley Hill Staffs
CARTWRIGHT, Elizabeth Wife Married
27 years F 40 1871 Home Thanes Near Lye Worc
CARTWRIGHT, Richard Son M 21 1890 Brick Burner I Brickyard Brierley Hill Staffs
CARTWRIGHT, Minnie Daughter F 18 1893 Pressing Bricks Brierley Hill Staffs
CARTWRIGHT, Jobe Son M 16 1895 Labourer In Glass House Works Brierley Hill Staffs
CARTWRIGHT, Daniel Son M 13 1898 Scholar Brierley Hill Staffs
CARTWRIGHT, Elizabeth Daughter F 12 1899 Scholar Brierley Hill Staffs
CARTWRIGHT, Laura Daughter F 8 1903 Scholar Brierley Hill Staffs
CARTWRIGHT, Harry Son M 4 1907 Scholar Brierley Hill Staffs
15 Childrem born 7 still alive
51 Mill St Brierley Hill
Worcestershire