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ARC PEND LOOK UP.....Samuel HOMER (born abt. 1854 West Brom)

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Saw that you are looking at 'HOMERs' at the moment .... so here is another one for you.

Samuel HOMER ( born around 1854 West Brom)

I first came across him in 1891 boarding with my husband's ancestors....
100D Gt. Bridge St, West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England
Eliza Jane JONES(35) widow born Tipton,
children..Joseph JONES(15) shearing iron at the rolls..born Hednesford,
Edith JONES(12) ,
Edward JONES(8)
& Sophia JONES(6) all born Tipton,
Emily JONES(2) born W. Brom,
boarder Samuel HOMER(39)single iron puddler born W.Brom

Then in 1901
8 Victoria St, Swan Village, West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England
Sam HOMER (47) puddler iron works born West Brom,
wife Eliza J (43) born Tipton,
stepchildren Edw JONES (18) glass blower,
Sophia JONES(16) both b. Tipton,
stepdaughter Emma JONES(12) b. W. Brom,
daughter Annie HOMER(9)
& son John HOMER(7) both b. W. Brom.

1911
6b, Swan Village, West Bromwich
Eliza Jane JONES(51) widow..born Tipton,
daughter Annie JONES(19) at home.. born W.Brom,
son Jack JONES(18) iron puddler born W. Brom,
lodger Samuel HOMER(60)single puddler iron ..born W.Brom

I understand ( from a relative) that there is a marriage (in 1921??) for Sam HOMER and Eliza J JONES...haven't found this yet though??.... so bit of a 'grey area' as to what their arrangements were from 1891 onwards?

Eliza JONES was born Eliza Jane WHITE ( born 1856 Tipton... daughter of Richard WHITE & Mary Jane COLEMAN) she was married to Edward JONES ( he died sometime between 1881 and 1891)

On that 1901 census I am not 100% sure who the parents of Annie and John HOMER are ... Sam is the father... but is Eliza the mother?

I think Sam may be the son of Zachariah HOMER ..... from BCC

http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... onnections

On the 1881 census there is the following..
21 Old Forge, West Bromwich, Staffs.
Zackhiah HOMER head married...age 55 ..(1826).. puddler.. born Dudley Port, Staffs
Ann HOMER wife married...age 57 (1924) housewife.. born Bilston, Staffs
Samuel HOMER son .. single..age 28 (1853)..underhand pudler.. born West Brom
Lucy WEBB.. daughter..married.. age 26 (1855)..born West Brom
John BARKER.. visitor..married..age 28 (1853).. underhand puddler.. born West Brom
Annie HOMER..grand daughter..single..age 9 (1872) scholar.. born West Brom

So.... do you think the Sam I found is the one from this family?
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Re: Samuel HOMER (born abt. 1854 West Brom)

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Zacahriah is my 3rd Great Grandfather.

The Samuel Homer in the 1911 census is the son of Zachariah.

I have been investigating thelink between him and the Jones for a while.

Th sticking point has always been the 1911 census where he says he is single.

Marrying many years after living as man and wife is common if there is no proof the women's first husband is dead.

It was much harder for a woman to divorce her husband than vice verci. The rules for granting divorce were not equal between the sexes.

So she may have claimed to be widowed and then married to Samuel when in fact her husband was still alive.

Upon receiving confirmation of his death they might rush off and get married, thereby legitimising any children they have.

This is important in terms of probate etc.

There is no John Homer (without a middle name) born in West Brom that fits. PLent of John Jones.

There is an annie Homer though...

It has been a while since I looked so I will see if I can find any more proof....

Find My Past is unusuable as they have given away free acccess for a few days.
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Re: Samuel HOMER (born abt. 1854 West Brom)

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added in Samuel
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =707775758
there is this marriage Edith could be misspelt

1921
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
JONES Edith HOMER Samuel Kingswinford, St Mary Dudley Register Office 213/007/261


might be worth a look up if you add it

can you post info you have on Richard white on a new thread if you a min expat
wonder if we have him on bcc
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Re: Samuel HOMER (born abt. 1854 West Brom)

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I have added in all the children of Zachariah. I will add in his grandchildren as well but that will take a while. These Homers were part rabbit!
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Re: Samuel HOMER (born abt. 1854 West Brom)

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Northern Lass wrote:added in Samuel
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =707775758
there is this marriage Edith could be misspelt

1921
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
JONES Edith HOMER Samuel Kingswinford, St Mary Dudley Register Office 213/007/261


might be worth a look up if you add it

can you post info you have on Richard white on a new thread if you a min expat
wonder if we have him on bcc


Don't have time to write everything out just now.... on my way out the door :? ...but some of the info. for Richard WHITE is on this thread archived recently...

viewtopic.php?f=31&t=10328

Will have a proper look when I get back in a few hours :P
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Re: Samuel HOMER (born abt. 1854 West Brom)

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To clarify....The Richard White married to Mary Jane Coleman ( in that other thread)..is the father of the Eliza Jane in this Sam Homer thread
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Re: Samuel HOMER (born abt. 1854 West Brom)

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Have now started a seperate thread for Richard WHITE

viewtopic.php?f=29&t=10430

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Re: Samuel HOMER (born abt. 1854 West Brom)

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MarkCDodd wrote:Zacahriah is my 3rd Great Grandfather.

The Samuel Homer in the 1911 census is the son of Zachariah.

I have been investigating thelink between him and the Jones for a while.

Th sticking point has always been the 1911 census where he says he is single.

Marrying many years after living as man and wife is common if there is no proof the women's first husband is dead.

It was much harder for a woman to divorce her husband than vice verci. The rules for granting divorce were not equal between the sexes.

So she may have claimed to be widowed and then married to Samuel when in fact her husband was still alive.

Upon receiving confirmation of his death they might rush off and get married, thereby legitimising any children they have.

This is important in terms of probate etc.

There is no John Homer (without a middle name) born in West Brom that fits. PLent of John Jones.

There is an annie Homer though...

It has been a while since I looked so I will see if I can find any more proof....

Find My Past is unusuable as they have given away free acccess for a few days.


I just checked again the marriage record for Edith Maud Jones .... daughter of Edward and Eliza Jane and it doesn't say that Edward is deceased?

ST Peter, West Bromwich .....John WITTON (24) bachelor.... ironworker... resident in Great Bridge St.... father Job WITTON (puddler)...married Edith Maud JONES (20) spinster... resident Gt. Bridge St.... father Edward JONES (labourer)...witnesses Noah WHITE and Ann WHITE

Did they always write down if the father was deceased?
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Re: Samuel HOMER (born abt. 1854 West Brom)

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Depends on if anybody reminded the Clerk or mentioned it to him at all.

You can't take a marriage cert as proof a father is alive/dead.
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Re: Samuel HOMER (born abt. 1854 West Brom)

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flagging to archive this now pending look up

1921
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
JONES Edith HOMER Samuel Kingswinford, St Mary Dudley Register Office 213/007/261
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