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Re: Hazlewood Query--NL adding
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 4:28 pm
by dudleytaylor
I am wondering about this 2 Jun 1829
Amphilis HAZLEWOOD, Bumblehole,Age 3yearsBurial
I know that James lived at Bumblehole , and as NL mentions two Baptisms , I am wondering if there was two Amphillis after all . I am wondering which one is which . Was it the one christened at St Giles or the one from St Thomas ????
I think I have worked it out.
Amphilis 1) Baptism 13 Aug 1826 St Giles RR - Death 2 June 1829 age 3 Bumble Hole Buried at St Johns Halesowen
Amphilis 2) Baptism 14 Feb 1830 St Thomas Dudley - Death 12 March 1850 Married Surname England
Re: Hazlewood Query--NL adding
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 5:15 pm
by hazlewlj
dudleytaylor wrote:hazlewlj wrote:Further to the previous post (which I forgot to add) ....
On the 1851 Census Nancy Mills's place of birth was recorded as Langley, which would still fit in with possibility (1).
However, doesn't seems to fit in with possibility (2a) ??? Why would she be Christened in Oldswinford if she was born in Oldbury?
I have not been doing my tree very long , but what i have learnt from being on here , is never say never ,and look at every possibility.
OK, still trying to keep an open mind
I was really listing the possibilities for my own benefit, so that I could figure out what to look at next. Possibility (2a) would appear to be the easiest one to try checking first, as the Parish Records for St Mary's Oldswinford are accessible at Dudley, and there might be some clues in the Parish Records about the parents George and Mary Hazlewood.
Also, in possibility (2c), one of the Unknown surnames might well be directly related to Hannah Hazlewood, but since I don't know Hannah's maiden name this all seems rather difficult to trace.
Re: Hazlewood Query--NL adding
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 5:43 pm
by dudleytaylor
Thanks NL .and RF , for drawing my attention to the Hazlewood girls . I do wish James and Phoebe had called them by another name , they both had early deaths , quite sad .
Re: Hazlewood Query--NL adding
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 6:26 pm
by Northern Lass
nice one DT re the burial that looks a possible they have 2 daus and one dies...
I think Nancy Hazlewood could be daun of that George and Mary
need a drink
Re: Hazlewood Query--NL adding
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 8:00 pm
by dudleytaylor
I don't do as much as you Nl ,but i think I will join you !!
your all brill xxxxx
Re: Hazlewood Query--NL adding
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 9:32 pm
by hazlewlj
Have found a death record for a Nancy Mills
Name: Nancy Mills
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1860
Registration District: West Bromwich
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 3[79]1
Which seems about right if she was still living in Langley in 1860. She would be age 78.
Hope its the right Nancy Mills. I've been "bumbling around" Nancy Hazlewood/Mills for a few months now. Don't know why I didn't find this before - think I convinced myself that Nancy wasn't her "real" name, and didn't look hard enough. Ggggrrrrrrrrr .... !?*!?*!*?!?*!?
Re: Hazlewood Query--NL adding
Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 7:44 am
by Northern Lass
Right you Hazlewood collectors................I am adding in Thomas Mills to Nancy unknown.
and the kids....have a look will you as I go and let me know what else I need to add
cos not following the Horn bit.....
who is Mary Mills????
Re: Hazlewood Query--NL adding
Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 8:01 am
by Northern Lass
rockyfowler wrote:25 Dec 1840 St Thomas Dudley
Emanuel HAZLEWOOD O B Forgeman Bullens? Lane Oldbury Father Timothy Hazlewood Gun Lock Forger
Ann REECE M S Oaken Well Street Dudley Father John Reece Miner
After Banns The X Of Emanuel Ann Signed
Wit; Edwards Bils / Emma Bils
1841
HAZLEWOOD, Emanuell M 26 1815 Puddler Shropshire
HAZLEWOOD, Ann F 18 1823
Birchyfield Lane, Halesowen, Oldbury
Shropshire
was there a bapt for this one pls presume he is son of this timothy
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =335263589
Re: Hazlewood Query--NL adding
Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 8:28 am
by Northern Lass
not sure on that James Moor and Nancy Hazlewood as it seems there are kids to a James Moor and Nancy
being bapt that straddle the years for the Mills kids
Re: Hazlewood Query--NL adding
Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 4:18 pm
by hazlewlj
Northern Lass wrote:Right you Hazlewood collectors................I am adding in Thomas Mills to Nancy unknown.
and the kids....have a look will you as I go and let me know what else I need to add
cos not following the Horn bit.....
who is Mary Mills????
From what I've found out so far, I think the children of Thomas and Nancy Mills are
Hannah born 31/03/1812
William b c 1817
Phoebe b c 1919 - who then married William Summers
Jonah b c 1823
Betsy (Elizabeth) b late 1833 or early 1834 - who then married William Billington or Billingham ???
At one time I thought there were several more children - particularly given the gaps between Phoebe and Jonah, and between Jonah and Betsy, but I now think they belonged to different Mills families (which confusingly included several Nancy Mills
)
Re: Hazlewood Query--NL adding
Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 5:26 pm
by Northern Lass
The Betsy Mills to William Billingham doesnt have father Thomas Bills
so I think that is another betsy Mills
Re: Hazlewood Query--NL adding
Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 5:27 pm
by Northern Lass
rockyfowler wrote:29 Jan 1854 Holy Trinity Langley
William BILLINGHAM 22 W Miner Langley Green Father Charles Billingham Labourer
Betsey MILLS 20 S Langley Green Father Samuel Horn Blacksmith
After Banns The X Of Both
Wit; Thomas Walker X / Anna? Walker X
13 May 1866 St Andrew Netherton
Jonas MILLS F B Miner Dudley Father John Mills Miner
Elizabeth GREGORY F S Dudley Father John Gregory Miner
Wit; John Horn / Mary Horn
HORNE John MILLS Mary Kingswinford, St Mary Dudley Register Office 213/002/236 1848
1861
HORN, John Head Married M 35 1826 Labourer
Dudley, Worcestershire
HORN, Mary Wife Married F 37 1824
Dudley, Worcestershire
HORN, Jonas Son Unmarried M 17 1844 Coal Miner
Dudley, Worcestershire
HORN, Mark Son M 12 1849 Coal Miner
Dudley, Worcestershire
HORN, John Son M 10 1851
Dudley, Worcestershire
HORN, Harriet Daughter F 7 1854
Dudley, Worcestershire
HORN, Sarah Daughter F 2 1859
Dudley, Worcestershire
MILLES, William Brother In Law Unmarried M 26 1835 Labourer
Dudley, Worcestershire
Stafford Street, Dudley
Staffordshire
And William Mills the bro to this Betsy is wrong age. born much later than our Wm Mills
Re: Hazlewood Query--NL adding
Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 10:00 pm
by hazlewlj
Northern Lass wrote:The Betsy Mills to William Billingham doesnt have father Thomas Bills
so I think that is another betsy Mills
Hadn't notice that , so thanks for pointing it out
Re: Hazlewood Query--
Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 8:11 am
by Northern Lass
Stuck on this one now Hazlewlj
what do we need?
I have put Nancy as Unknown and put her with Wm Hazlewood............but with a note
I don't think she is dau of them...........but stuck
if anyone has any ideas??
or I will move this to brickwalls
Re: Hazlewood Query--
Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 11:54 pm
by hazlewlj
hazlewlj wrote:Have found a death record for a Nancy Mills
Name: Nancy Mills
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1860
Registration District: West Bromwich
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 3[79]1
Which seems about right if she was still living in Langley in 1860. She would be age 78.
Hope its the right Nancy Mills ... (snip) ...
Have obtained the Death Certificate for the above with the following information ....
Date of death : 14 April 1860
Place of Death : Langley Green, Oldbury
Name : Nancy Mills
Age : 72
Occupation : Widow of Thomas Mills, Labourer
Cause of death : Senility - Certified
Informant : Mark of Frances Spencer, present at death, Langley Green, Oldbury
Date of registration : 18 April 1860
But still confused:
On the 1841 Census, Nancy Mills is age "50", giving a birth year of about 1791
On the 1851 Census, Nancy Mills is age 68, giving a birth year of 1783
The age given on the Death Certificate would give a birth year of 1788
I know that 1841 "ages" were often very approximate, but there is still a 5 year difference between the other two birth dates. Is this feasible ?