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Re: William's first marriage
Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 6:38 pm
by Antie Em
1911 : 18 Thompson Road, Langley
BIRCH, William Head Married
24 years M 76 1835 Retired Langley Worcs
BIRCH, Hanner Wife Married F 67 1844 West Bromwich Staffs
The 1901 looks good, William is recorded in Kelly's
1884 - William Birch, Royal Oak, Park Street, and car proprietor, Birmingham Street
Maggie
Re: William's first marriage
Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 6:44 pm
by kiwikid
Antie Em wrote:1911 : 18 Thompson Road, Langley
BIRCH, William Head Married
24 years M 76 1835 Retired Langley Worcs
BIRCH, Hanner Wife Married F 67 1844 West Bromwich Staffs
The 1901 looks good, William is recorded in Kelly's
1884 - William Birch, Royal Oak, Park Street, and car proprietor, Birmingham Street
Maggie
So he has been married 4 times. I wonder what happened to Eliza Burton whom he married in 1868. She was born in c 1838. What a scallywag.
Re: William's first marriage
Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 6:51 pm
by Antie Em
kiwikid wrote:Antie Em wrote:1911 : 18 Thompson Road, Langley
BIRCH, William Head Married
24 years M 76 1835 Retired Langley Worcs
BIRCH, Hanner Wife Married F 67 1844 West Bromwich Staffs
The 1901 looks good, William is recorded in Kelly's
1884 - William Birch, Royal Oak, Park Street, and car proprietor, Birmingham Street
Maggie
So he has been married 4 times. I wonder what happened to Eliza Burton whom he married in 1868. She was born in c 1838. What a scallywag.
Certainly got around a bit didn't he - perhaps he had money -
Wills and Probate
William Birch of Thompson Road, Langley, nr Oldbury, Worcs, died 1 May 1915, Probate London 22nd June - to Samuel Birch, Corn Merchant and Frank Dawes, Solicitor, £3499, 1s and 4p. - £150,666.94 in todays money
Re: William's first marriage
Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 6:57 pm
by kiwikid
Antie Em wrote:kiwikid wrote:Antie Em wrote:1911 : 18 Thompson Road, Langley
BIRCH, William Head Married
24 years M 76 1835 Retired Langley Worcs
BIRCH, Hanner Wife Married F 67 1844 West Bromwich Staffs
The 1901 looks good, William is recorded in Kelly's
1884 - William Birch, Royal Oak, Park Street, and car proprietor, Birmingham Street
Maggie
So he has been married 4 times. I wonder what happened to Eliza Burton whom he married in 1868. She was born in c 1838. What a scallywag.
Certainly got around a bit didn't he - perhaps he had money -
Wills and Probate
Well I never. Perhaps each of his wives were rich!
William Birch of Thompson Road, Langley, nr Oldbury, Worcs, died 1 May 1915, Probate London 22nd June - to Samuel Birch, Corn Merchant and Frank Dawes, Solicitor, £3499, 1s and 4p. - £150,666.94 in todays money
Re: William's first marriage
Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 7:08 pm
by Antie Em
I've lost the thread a bit here - who's Samuel, Corn Merchant - is this him
Samuel William Birch, of 6, The Crescent, Langley Green, Oldbury, Worcestershire, Railway Waggon Builder, died 6 April 1918, Administration Worcester 26 April, to Georgina Mary Ann Birch, Widow - £257.00
This looks more like him
Samuel Birch of 76 Causeway Green Road, Langley, Oldbury, Worcestershire, died 7 October 1936 at the Queens Hospital, Birmingham, Probate, Birmingham 27 November to Mary Elizabeth Mansell Birch, Widow. Effects £1726. 1s. 4d.
Re: William's first marriage
Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 7:43 pm
by kiwikid
Antie Em wrote:I've lost the thread a bit here - who's Samuel, Corn Merchant - is this him
Samuel William Birch, of 6, The Crescent, Langley Green, Oldbury, Worcestershire, Railway Waggon Builder, died 6 April 1918, Administration Worcester 26 April, to Georgina Mary Ann Birch, Widow - £257.00
This looks more like him
Samuel Birch of 76 Causeway Green Road, Langley, Oldbury, Worcestershire, died 7 October 1936 at the Queens Hospital, Birmingham, Probate, Birmingham 27 November to Mary Elizabeth Mansell Birch, Widow. Effects £1726. 1s. 4d.
Samuel is someone I dont know. William had John, Ellen, Fanny and Sampson? Benjamin c 1937 (on some censes) He had no brothers called Samuel either.
Re: William's first marriage
Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 7:49 pm
by Antie Em
Perhaps the William we found in 1911 is the wrong one then. We need to find a William with a connection to a Samuel to either confirm or rule him out.
Re: William's first marriage
Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 8:00 pm
by kiwikid
Antie Em wrote:Perhaps the William we found in 1911 is the wrong one then. We need to find a William with a connection to a Samuel to either confirm or rule him out.
Yes I agree. He was as you know proprietor of the Rising Sun/Royal Oak till 1892. Is there any way of checking electoral rolls?
Re: William's first marriage
Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 8:18 pm
by Antie Em
'fraid not Judith - Electoral Rolls at Smethwick Archives don't start until 1919.
The only thing we can do is trace the later William and see if he fits into another family.
This one looks likely - because the Mansell name was mentioned in one of the wills
1880 : BIRCH William MANSELL Hannah Tipton, St Martin (Pepper Box) Sandwell Register Office 39/14/22
Re: William's first marriage
Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 9:45 pm
by Jimmy
The Samuel who died in 1918,
A possible.
Deaths Jun 1918.
Birch Samuel W 56. W.Bromwich. 6b. 808.
Re: William's first marriage
Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 10:09 pm
by Jimmy
Jimmy wrote:The Samuel who died in 1918,
A possible.
Deaths Jun 1918.
Birch Samuel W 56. W.Bromwich. 6b. 808.
This looks like the same one,
1901. 6 Langley Crescent, Warley, Oldbury.
Samuel W Birch 39. Railway Wagon builder. Beech Lancs, Worcestershire.
Mary A Birch 44. Halesowen.
Mary A Greenhall 11. Niece. Halesowen.
John Birch 72. Father. Withington, Herefordshire.
Re: William's first marriage
Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 10:12 pm
by Jimmy
Antie Em wrote:I've lost the thread a bit here - who's Samuel, Corn Merchant - is this him
Samuel William Birch, of 6, The Crescent, Langley Green, Oldbury, Worcestershire, Railway Waggon Builder, died 6 April 1918, Administration Worcester 26 April, to Georgina Mary Ann Birch, Widow - £257.00
This looks more like him
Samuel Birch of 76 Causeway Green Road, Langley, Oldbury, Worcestershire, died 7 October 1936 at the Queens Hospital, Birmingham, Probate, Birmingham 27 November to Mary Elizabeth Mansell Birch, Widow. Effects £1726. 1s. 4d.
This looks like the one who died 1936,
1901. 79 Darlington Rd, Wolverhampton.
William Birch 69. House painter. Cannock.
Ann Birch 70. Wednesfield.
Ann Birch 38. Single. Wolverhampton.
Samuel Birch 32. Son. Single. Wolverhampton.
Mary E Birch 18. Grand dau. Single. Wolverhampton.
1891. Waterloo rd, Wolverhampton.
William Birch 58. Painter (house). Mawsley, Staffordshire.
Ann Birch 59. Wednesfield, Staffordshire.
Annie Birch 9. Grand dau. Wolverhampton.
Rose Speers 13. Servant. Wednesfield.
1881. 79 Darlington Rd, Wolverhampton.
William Birch 48. House painter, Journeyman. Cannock.
Ann Birch 49. Wednesfield.
Harry Birch 22. Son. Wolverhampton.
Samuel Birch 12. Son. Wolverhampton.
Hannah Dallow 13. Niece. Wolverhampton.
1871. 1 Court Red Lion St, Wolverhampton.
William Birch 38. Painter and glazier. Cannock.
Ann Birch 39.
Anne Birch 8. Dau.
Mary Birch 5. Dau.
Samuel Birch 2. Son.
Others born Wolverhampton.
Deaths Dec 1936.
Birch Samuel. 67. Birmingham. 6d. 277.
Re: William's first marriage
Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 10:22 pm
by Jimmy
Jimmy wrote:Jimmy wrote:The Samuel who died in 1918,
A possible.
Deaths Jun 1918.
Birch Samuel W 56. W.Bromwich. 6b. 808.
This looks like the same one,
1901. 6 Langley Crescent, Warley, Oldbury.
Samuel W Birch 39. Railway Wagon builder. Beech Lancs, Worcestershire.
Mary A Birch 44. Halesowen.
Mary A Greenhall 11. Niece. Halesowen.
John Birch 72. Father. Withington, Herefordshire.
I am starting to lose the plot on this one,
1871. Birmingham Rd, Oldbury.
John Birch 42. Carpenter. Stoke Edith, Herefordshire.
Annie Maria Birch 50.
James Birch 45.
Emily Birch 12.
Samuel William Birch 9.
Others born Buch Canes, Worcestershire.
Re: William's first marriage
Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 12:52 am
by kiwikid
Yes I've lost the plot after some wine and a nice meal-start again later after a sleep.
Re: William's first marriage
Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 10:15 am
by Jimmy
Antie Em wrote:Samuel Birch of 76 Causeway Green Road, Langley, Oldbury, Worcestershire, died 7 October 1936 at the Queens Hospital, Birmingham, Probate, Birmingham 27 November to Mary Elizabeth Mansell Birch, Widow. Effects £1726. 1s. 4d.
Possible,
West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1900.
BIRCH Samuel. JONES Mary M. West Bromwich Register Office. Sandwell Register Office. WBRO/34/125.
Marriages Mar 1900.
Birch Samuel. W.Bromwich. 6b 1040.
Ellis Emma Jane. W. Bromwich. 6b. 1040.
Jones Mary
Mansell. W. Bromwich. 6b. 1040.
Skeldon Thomas. W. Bromwich. 6b. 1040.