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So we have Betsy on 2 census in 1851

and then dont get this lot..Betsy has father as Thomas Mills on bapt
so why Samuel Horn on marriage?

and who is Mary Mills? that marries John Horn
how does she connect to Thomas and Nancy?

And Jonah Mills is his father not Thos then



29 Jan 1854 Holy Trinity Langley
William BILLINGHAM 22 W Miner Langley Green Father Charles Billingham Labourer
Betsey MILLS 20 S Langley Green Father Samuel Horn Blacksmith
After Banns The X Of Both
Wit; Thomas Walker X / Anna? Walker X

13 May 1866 St Andrew Netherton
Jonas MILLS F B Miner Dudley Father John Mills Miner
Elizabeth GREGORY F S Dudley Father John Gregory Miner
Wit; John Horn / Mary Horn

HORNE John MILLS Mary Kingswinford, St Mary Dudley Register Office 213/002/236 1848

1861
HORN, John Head Married M 35 1826 Labourer
Dudley, Worcestershire
HORN, Mary Wife Married F 37 1824
Dudley, Worcestershire
HORN, Jonas Son Unmarried M 17 1844 Coal Miner
Dudley, Worcestershire
HORN, Mark Son M 12 1849 Coal Miner
Dudley, Worcestershire
HORN, John Son M 10 1851
Dudley, Worcestershire
HORN, Harriet Daughter F 7 1854
Dudley, Worcestershire
HORN, Sarah Daughter F 2 1859
Dudley, Worcestershire
MILLES, William Brother In Law Unmarried M 26 1835 Labourer
Dudley, Worcestershire
Stafford Street, Dudley

Staffordshire

Can someone have a look at what I have added in notes for Nancy unknown

and see what we can safely add for her
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =613920188

which kids can I add?

can someone check the IGI again for betsy did it have father Thos on ...I missed it off.

cos I bit confused now on this

and we still dont know who nancy is do we really?

I am really confused too NL . I cannot find anything on Nancy . How do we know she was a family member ? If she were on Hannahs Death certificate would it not say" daughter of ".....

I dont know if you have this all ready from Familysearch , It shows that Timothy junior is Timothy and Hannahs child ,not James
father: Timothy Hazlewood
mother: Hannah
Name Timothy Hazlewood
Gender Male
Christening Date 01 Aug 1824
Christening Place HALESOWEN,WORCESTER,ENGLAND
Birth Date
Birthplace
Death Date
Name Note
Race
Father's Name Timothy Hazlewood
Father's Birthplace
Father's Age
Mother's Name Hannah
Mother's Birthplace
Mother's Age
Indexing Project (Batch) Number C01376-2
System Origin England-ODM
GS Film number 886632, 886633, 886634
Reference ID

St John The Baptist Halesowen

27 Mar 1814
Mary daur of Timothy and Hannah HAZLEWOOD , Cakemore, Ram Rod Maker

1 Aug 1824
Timothy son of Timothy and Hannah HAZLEWOOD , Cakemore,Nailer

21 Oct 1827
James son of Timothy and Hannah HAZLEWOOD ,Langley Green,Nailer

13 Oct 1833
Hannah daur of William and Mary HAZLEWOOD ,Borough,Nailer

27 Dec 1835
Sarah daur of William and Mary HAZLEWOOD ,Whiteheath Gate,Nailer

1841
HAZELWOOD, James M 40 Sadler 1801
HAZELWOOD, Pheobe F 35 1806
HAZELWOOD, Ambrus M 11 1830 Worcestershire
HAZELWOOD, Ester F 7 1834 Worcestershire
HAZELWOOD, Pheobe F 2 1839 Worcestershire
DOWNING, Emma F 15 1826 Occupation F.S. possibly Female Servant? quite alot of young females recorded as this in census

Bumble Hole, Dudley

Worcestershire

dudleytaylor wrote:Timothy Hazlewood married to Emma Downing is James Hazlewood's son not Timothy's. In the 1841 census she is living with James and his family

!841 Bumble Hole
James Hazlewood Saddler 40
Phoebe Hazlewood 35
Ambias Hazlewood 11
Ester Hazlewood 7
Phoebe Hazlewood 6
Emma Downing 15

Snap !

I posted that to show Emmas Occupation

Put it on just in case

spouse: James Moor
Name James Moor
Birth Date
Birthplace
Age
Spouse's Name Nancy Hazlewood
Spouse's Birth Date
Spouse's Birthplace
Spouse's Age
Event Date 31 May 1803
Event Place Old Swinford,Worcester,England
Father's Name
Mother's Name
Spouse's Father's Name
Spouse's Mother's Name
Race
Marital Status
Previous Wife's Name
Spouse's Race
Spouse's Marital Status
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name
Indexing Project (Batch) Number M04027-1
System Origin England-ODM
GS Film number 527938, 527939, 527940, 527942, 527943, 533992, 533993, 533994, 533995, 533996
Reference ID

St John The Baptist Halesowen Burials

24 Jan 1817
Emanuel HAZLEWOOD ,Langley,Age 19

2 Jun 1829
Amphilis HAZLEWOOD, Bumblehole,Age 3years

9 Aug 1831
Hannah HAZLEWOOD , Langley ,Age 19years

29 Apr 1832
Thomas HAZLEWOOD , Titford Bridge, Age 10 years

6 May 1832
John HAZLEWOOD ,Langley,Age 2 Months

18 Sep 1832
William HAZLEWOOD ,Langley, Age 70yrs

Thats ok RF xx

Aww those burials are good , I might have them for my tree

31 May 1803 St Mary Oldswinford
James MOOR Bachelor otp
Nancy HAZLEWOOD Spinster otp
BY Banns James Signed The X Of Nancy
Wit; Thomas Harris/ Hannah Davis

Name: Nancy Hazlewood
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 27 Oct 1782
Christening Place: OLD SWINFORD,WORCESTER,ENGLAND
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: George Hazlewood
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Mary
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C04027-2
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 527939
Reference ID:

Spent a hour or so this morning trawling through the Parish Records for St John the Baptist, Halesowen for years 1782 to 1785 inclusive. No sign of any Nancy Hazard, or anything else like Nancy Hazlewood, or any other f Hazlewood !!!

So it looks to me like either ......

1) Nancy Mills was born a Hazlewood, but was baptised in some non-conformist church. Given the inclination of William and Hannah Hazlewood, and the fact that Oldbury was a strong non-conformist area, this seems quite possible.

2) Nancy has a previous marriage before the one with Thomas Mills.
Assuming the age for Nancy Mills - 85, on the 1851 census is correct, and that Hannah Mills - b 31/03/1812 is the eldest child of Nancy and Thomas Mills, then Nancy would be age 29 at Hannah Mills's birth. This seems a little on the old side? So, plausible that Nancy could have had a previous marriage when she was in her early 20's.

Hence a few of possibilities .......

2a) Nancy Hazlewood, chr 27/10/1782 at Oldswinford, daughter of George and Mary Hazlewood (but not checked the original Parish Record yet)
Who then married 31/05/1803 (at age 21) at Oldswinford, James Moor (but not checked the original Parish Record yet)
James Moor then maybe died, and Nancy Moor subsequently married Thomas Mills (presumably before 1812). In which case it looks like the Nancy Mills on the 1841 census is not the daughter, but rather a niece (by marriage) of Hannah Hazlewood.
Does anyone know of a record of any such second marriage?

2b) Nancy Unknown, born c 1783, married Unknown Hazlewood sometime about 1800. Unknown Hazlewood then maybe died, and Nancy Hazlewood subsequently married Thomas Mills (presumably before 1812). In which case Nancy Mills and Hannah Hazlewood are related by marriage though some Unknown Hazlewood, presumably related to William Hazlewood. I've done lots of searching for a marriage between Nancy Hazlewood and Thomas Mills and found nothing so far, but does anyone know of a record of any such second marriage?

2c) Nancy Unknown, born c 1783, married Unknown Unknown sometime about 1800. Unknown Unknown then maybe died, and Nancy Unknown subsequently married Thomas Mills (presumably before 1812). Seems there are rather too many Unknown's here to make much progress !!!!

2d) I'll repeat again, maybe Nancy was just a nickname or family name. The reason I keep coming back this possibility is I that can't find a death certificate for a Nancy Mills in the years following 1851 (when she was 68).

PS While I'm typing .........

Special thank you from me to rockyfowler for the information on the marriage of Timothy Hazlewood and Ellen Catherine Pratt. I'd traced Ellen back through the Census's to 1851, and knew a bit about her parents as they are all living together in 1881 census in Tat Bank Road, Oldbury. However, I didn't know that her middle name was Catherine, and hadn't yet located her marriage details.

Further to the previous post (which I forgot to add) ....

On the 1851 Census Nancy Mills's place of birth was recorded as Langley, which would still fit in with possibility (1).

However, doesn't seems to fit in with possibility (2a) ??? Why would she be Christened in Oldswinford if she was born in Oldbury?

hazlewlj wrote:Further to the previous post (which I forgot to add) ....

On the 1851 Census Nancy Mills's place of birth was recorded as Langley, which would still fit in with possibility (1).

However, doesn't seems to fit in with possibility (2a) ??? Why would she be Christened in Oldswinford if she was born in Oldbury?

I have not been doing my tree very long , but what i have learnt from being on here , is never say never ,and look at every possibility.