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TOYE, Ellen
Registration district: Aston
County: Warwickshire
Year of registration: 1913
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Mother's maiden name: Morris
Volume no:6D

Page no:1062

So is Morris, Florence's maiden name?

Are we also fairly sure that this is my Edwin? is there anything I can do to confirm, like certificates etc?

May already have this

Quinton National School - Admission Register 1872 to 1894
No. Year Mth Surname Christian Name Day Mth Year Parent/Guardian Occupation Address
904 1891 9 Toye David 21 7 1885 Edward Toye Bricklayer Quinton
939 1892 5 Toye Thomas 2 8 1883 Edwin Toye Not shown Quinton
980 1893 4 Toye Eliza 2 10 1888 Edwin Toye Labourer Quinton

This could be him..
It looks like Edward/Edwin took the boys and Ellen the daughter..

Birmingham Daily Post
Wednesday 29 July 1891

Married Women’s Maintenance Act – At the Police Court, yesterday, Edward Toy, bricklayer, of Quinton, was charged with deserting his wife, - Complainant said she was married to the defendant in March 1890, and afterwards lived at Quinton. Defendant had illused and abused her, telling her to take her “hook” and threatened to knock her head against the wall. He had taken the furniture from the house. There were three children by the marriage, and the defendant had taken to two, and she had one. Defendant could earn 20s a week. – An order was made for the defendant to contribute 5s, a week towards the maintenance of his wife.

Typed exactly as I've seen it.. marriage date a problem, I think it should read 1881 and unfortunately doesn't mention the wifes name.

rockyfowler wrote:Here`s Ellens Marriage
1 Mar 1881 Christ Church Quinton
Edward TAYE 20 B Bricklayer Quinton Father William Taye Nailer
Ellen WALFORD 23 S Quinton Father Thomas Walford Weaver
After Banns Both signed
Wit; John Haycock / Betsey B---?

brill find FS where is that housed in Ancestry?

I think that is edwin/edward in 1901 and 1911 maybe with diff women

not sure on that 1899 cornwall marriage

there is a Florence Ada Morris b B'ham in 1871 on free bmd

maybe they never married?

Northern Lass wrote:Marriages Dec 1899
Bennett Joseph Redruth 5c 461
Roberts Florence Mabel Redruth 5c 461
Toy Edwin Redruth 5c 461
Toy Lily Tregatha Redruth 5c 461

You can rule this marriage out,

1901. Stithians, Cornwall.
Edwin Toy 30. Miller, flour mills. Stithians, Cornwall.
Lily Tregatha Toy 27. Wife. Lezard, Cornwall.

1911.
Edwin Toy 40. Collector rates and income tax.
Lily J Toy 36.
William G Toy 9.
Olive G Toy 8.
Edwin S Toy 2.
John R Toy 6/12.

Married 11 years.

nice one Jimmy

so looks like he lived with these ladies?

I think that death certif would be helpful cant remember date now 1935?
the one in B'ham

Oh my word!!!!! I'm astonished, and incredibly thankful to those involved in discovering this.

The boys ended up in Chester in 1901 census in District Certified Industrial School in Chester. The girl was with her grandmother in the same census.

Wow, so he was a wife beater? My goodness. That would explain a hell of a lot, and why my Grandfather's sister would say her father Thomas Toye was reluctant to speak about his early childhood.

Well I was really looking for Ellen, but a happy accident that we found out about Edwin, which is also something I have been eager to find out.

So to clarify then, Edwin is the Edwin living in Birmingham?

NickToye wrote:Well I was really looking for Ellen, but a happy accident that we found out about Edwin, which is also something I have been eager to find out.

So to clarify then, Edwin is the Edwin living in Birmingham?

Might be......do you think it is worth getting his death certif....or one that looks likely?

Yeah I think that may be useful.

Have to be next month though now.

Right, I've just gone through the thread again and I'm afraid I am lost.

Which Edwin do we think is my Edwin?

Also as a gap filler, I noticed on the 1911 census, it had Helen (Ellen) Toye as having 4 children, 1 died. I didn't know this before, but it got me thinking about the child, so a look on the LDS site and also Ancestry I have found a Nellie Toy b1886 d1886 in Stourbridge.

Now I'm not as familiar with the area as some, but is that possible to be my missing baby whose family lived in Quinton? There is no other Toy's who were within the timeline of 1881 and 1890 when the marriage broke down.

Nellie Toye's birth in 1886 was registered in the Kingswinford sub district of Stourbridge. Records are held at Dudley Register Office; if you wanted to order the certificate from them, the reference is: KIN/132/99. The death is also registered in Kingswinford sub district, reference KIN/072/106.

If the family were living at Quinton, I would have expected the birth to be registered in Halesowen sub district. However, in my experience, sometimes (particularly for first children) women went back to their mother's house to give birth - I would imagine to benefit from mother's experience and support, so I don't think you can necessarily rule it out.

It could be that Nellie was born in Wordsley workhouse, that would come under Kingswinford.