ARC TBC - Stumped

[Taffster]

My head hurts after looking at the ancestry research. It's not made any easier by the fact that James and Joseph were fashionable names at the time. Something does not fit somewhere. Initially I thought Sarah may have been a Sarah Elizabeth, but turned out not to be the case.

My Direct line was a David Martin, who had a brother James. James had a son whom he named James b. 1864 in Tipton

I have located him in the 1881 Census living at 17 Hall St Bilston. (From details in the 1911 census, which says he was married 28 years) I estimate they married around 1882/83.

On the 1911 Census it lists 7 children born, 4 still alive. Dora was one who was born in Coventry c.1899

My ancestor David, left Tipton and moved to Griffithstown in 1883. During reasearch, I found in the electoral rolls 1894/95 a James staying with him. I assumed that this was James I was unable to find him in the 1891 or 1901 census's but found him in the 1911 census living in New Inn. They had two children at the time Dora and Ethel May Vera b.1903. I obtained a birth certificate which showed the Mother as Elizabeth Martin and clearly marked is Baugh. The address is Pen Y wain Pontypool. James's occupation is now listed as a commission agent.

In the 1911 census, his occupation is now again in the steel industry and he is a welder.

I found the Death for his wife and obtained a death Certificate, Elizabeth Martin 19th July 1912. Gwynfa cottage New Inn.

I am yet to find the death and location for James. During my research, I have found one of the census records which shows Elizabeth as Helena. The dates of birth and ages are often way out.

Seems strange however that the only suitable marriage for that period of a Baugh and a Martin are a James and a Sarah.

[peterd]

have you ever thought james married sarah baugh, sarah died then he lived with elizabeth as it was illegal to marry the sister of his dead wife untill 1907 ?

http://mentalfloss.com/article/49722/65 ... rriage-act

[Taffster]

Nope, not thought of that, to be honest was a bit puzzled on where to go. Will have a look at this avenue

[Northern Lass]

Nope, not thought of that, to be honest was a bit puzzled on where to go. Will have a look at this avenue

Go On TAffster order that marriage certif it is only money!

If you post the birth info on the certifs you have I can add to Bcc

I can add in your name in notes ....might help if anyone sees it and can contact you via this forum

let me know

[Taffster]

Think I while have to. Would be a good place to start.

[Northern Lass]

Think I while have to. Would be a good place to start.

Do let us know how you get on when it arrives

[Taffster]

Will be July, am going on hols Sat

[Northern Lass]

Will be July, am going on hols Sat

Well that's abit selfish of you

[Taffster]

I pulled my finger out and posted the cheque this morning. Should get it before I go.

[Northern Lass]

I pulled my finger out and posted the cheque this morning. Should get it before I go.

Excellent

[Northern Lass]

Look at this ...is this Dora?

Marriages Sep 1923
Bowns Dora E Haggerty Newport M. 11a 610
Cook Edith L Kendall Newport M. 11a 610
Cutter William R Hill Newport M. 11a 610
Haggerty James Martin Newport M 11a 610
Haggerty James Bowns Newport M 11a 610
Kendall Alfred J Cook Newport M. 11a 610
Martin Dora E Haggerty Newport M 11a 610

on marriage looks like 2 names for Dora E .....


this one is Wiltshire
Births Sep 1890
Bowns Dora Elsie Warminster 5a 148


hmmm maybe not looks like she marries a Martin
Marriages Sep 1909
BOWNS Dora Elsie Newport. M. 11a 434
MARTIN William John W Newport M 11a 434
PAULSON Lily Newport, M. 11a 434
SHAKESHAFF George Newport,M. 11a 434

so that one is out...

[Taffster]

Marriage certificate arrived

St Georges Church Wolverhampton Oct 8th 1882
James Martin 21 Bachelor Tin plate worker Duke st Father Joseph Martin Sawyer
Sarah Baugh 21 Spinster Wire worker Bilston Road Father Edward Baugh Miner

Witnesses Thomas Bannister
Maria Baugh

I will need to sit down and research the Baugh family when I get. Have come across this family, but did not look closely at it. I am looking to see if there was an Eilzabeth Baugh in the family.

Secondly I was hoping to have found a James Martin with a father James. Maybe the James I am looking at is not the James I want him to be. There were a few Martins from Staffordshire who appear in the area and have no connections at all. Maybe he is one of those.

The thing that puzzles me is that I am unable to find the James I am looking for in the 1891/1901 census's, no record of a Marriage to an Elizabeth and no baptism for a Dora in 1899 in Coventry.

I have a case of two brothers who married two sisters, maybe that's what happened here.

[Northern Lass]

I think we have 2 James Martin and we have them both on 1881 diff places
I have added to Bcc both James...

one b W'ton 1865
other born Tipton area maybe regis Dudley 1865

Do you have the birth certif for this one Taffster?
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =364289262

1881 17 Hall Street Bilston
James Martin head married 53 labourer in Iron works?
Eliza Martin wife married 50
James Martin son 17 marker in sheet mill
Joseph Martin son 10 scholar
all born Bilston Wolverhampton


Then we have the W'ton one with father Joseph here
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... i=99285368

and on 1881 single living with father and brother Joseph.
1881 living 15 Duke St Wolverhampton
wid labourer in Iron works in household is Betsy Watkins dau 30 and son James Martin son unmarried 18 Tin man along with Joseph Martin son carpenter aged 22

so that looks like the one who "marries" Elizabeth Baugh with a father James and mother Eliza a marker in sheet mill

that sounds like a welder to me.........

where are James Martin and wife Eliza in 1891 and 1901?

The other one is living with his sister Betsy Watkins and Brother Joseph (Sarah wife is with her father)

so to me different James....but where is ours as Taffster says in 1891 and 1901

and where is Doras birth regis

[gardener]

Marriage certificate arrived

St Georges Church Wolverhampton Oct 8th 1882
James Martin 21 Bachelor Tin plate worker Duke st Father Joseph Martin Sawyer
Sarah Baugh 21 Spinster Wire worker Bilston Road Father Edward Baugh Miner

Witnesses Thomas Bannister
Maria Baugh

I think this is James:

1871
Wolverhampton
Joseph Martin 48 wid sawyer
Eliza Martin 10
Annie Martin 6
Betsey Martin 23
Jim Martin 9
Harriet Martin 15
Mark Martin 17



1881
Wolverhampton
Joseph Martin 59 lab in ironworks
Ann Martin 15 dau
Betsy Watkins 30 dau
Joseph Martin 22 son carpenter
Edith Watkins 5 g dau
Eliza Turner 7 niece
James Martin 18 son tin man

1891
Wolverhampton
Betsy Watkins 43 wid
Edith M Watkins 14 dau
Joseph Martin 32 bro
James Martin 27 m bro tin plate worker
Joseph ditto 8 son
Joseph Huntley 28 relation
Ann ditto 25 wife
Betsy ditto 4 dau


1901
Wolverhampton
Joseph Martin 42 s wood sawyer
James Martin 37 wid tin plate worker
Joseph Martin 18 son s tinplate worker
Edith Watkins 24 s niece house keeper

[gardener]

And this is Sarah, as found by NL

1871
Wolverhampton
Joseph Baugh 46 coal miner
Litha Baugh 42
Mary Ann Baugh 21
Joseph Baugh 19
John Baugh 16
Sarah Baugh 8
Maria Baugh 8
Edward Baugh 4
Isiah Baugh 4

1881
Edward Baugh 58
Letitia Baugh 58
John Baugh 25
Maria Baugh 18
Sarah Baugh 18
George Baugh 14

1891
Edward Baugh 67
Lethia Baugh 61
Sarah A Martin 31 dau m
Joseph Baugh 16 gson
Letitia Martin 7 gdau
Joseph ditto 1 son (should be grandson perhaps)

interesting that Letitia Martin turns up in Wolverhampton in 1901?

1901
Charles Houghton 30
Margaret E Houghton 30
Elizabeth D Wareham 21
Letta Martin 18 servant