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Re: William's first marriage

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Antie Em wrote:There are three John Birch's listed on West Midalnds BMD

BIRCHJohn Oldbury Sandwell Register Office OLD/20/495
BIRCH John Oldbury Sandwell Register Office OLD/22/159
BIRCH John Oldbury Sandwell Register Office OLD/22/34

You could ring West Bromwich Register Office - 0121 569 2480 and give them the name of John's father and ask if the mother's name was Catherine. They might ask you to buy the cert, but you might get lucky ....

Maggie

Maggie it is possible he married more than once as Annie died in 1918 and he died 1942.
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cid wrote:Looks like Catherine dies??

1871 Park Street, Oldbury

BIRCH, William Head M 37 1834 Worcestershire Licensed Victualler
BIRCH, Eliza Wife F 33 1838 Worcestershire
BIRCH, John Son M 15 1856 Worcestershire
BIRCH, Benjamin Son M 13 1858 Worcestershire Image says Benjamin, but could this be Samson??
BIRCH, Fanny Daughter F 10 1861 Worcestershire
YORK, James Lodger M 30 1841 Worcestershire

William seems to have had more than two wives, first ? Ann, or Elizabeth from 1856, then Catharine from 1860 then Eliza from sometime after 1866. Thank you, Judith
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Jimmy wrote:Deaths Dec 1866.
Birch Catherine 26. W. Bromwich. 6b. 405.

West Midlands Death indexes for the years: 1866.
BIRCH Catherine. Oldbury Sandwell Register Office. OLD/20/316.

Thank you Jimmy, This verifies what I thought. Judith
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kiwikid wrote:William seems to have had more than two wives, first ? Ann, or Elizabeth from 1856, then Catharine from 1860 then Eliza from sometime after 1866. Thank you, Judith


Marriages Mar 1856.
Birch William. W Bromwich. 6b. 760.
Higgott Ann Maria. W. Bromwich. 6b. 760.
ROBINSON William. W. Bromwich. 6b. 760.
Walker Elizabeth. W. Bromwich. 6b. 760.

West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1856.
BIRCH William. WALKER Elizabeth. West Bromwich, All Saints. Sandwell Register Office. 22/7/191.
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Jimmy wrote:
kiwikid wrote:William seems to have had more than two wives, first ? Ann, or Elizabeth from 1856, then Catharine from 1860 then Eliza from sometime after 1866. Thank you, Judith


Marriages Mar 1856.
Birch William. W Bromwich. 6b. 760.
Higgott Ann Maria. W. Bromwich. 6b. 760.
ROBINSON William. W. Bromwich. 6b. 760.
Walker Elizabeth. W. Bromwich. 6b. 760.

West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1856.
BIRCH William. WALKER Elizabeth. West Bromwich, All Saints. Sandwell Register Office. 22/7/191.

You are a gem. And now the hunt goes on to find who the third wife was and whether they had any chidren. Her name on the 1871 census was Eliza b 1838 so it is possible there were more children.
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2 possibles.
Marriages Sep 1868.
Birch William. Birmingham. 6d. 191.
Burton Eliza. Birmingham. 6d. 191.
Holland Susannah. Birmingham. 6d. 191.
Simcon Enoch. Birmingham. 6d. 191.

Marriages Sep 1870.
BIRCH William. Wolverhampton. 6b. 690.
BOOTH John. Wolverhampton. 6b. 690.
Grosvenor Jane. Wolverhampton. 6b 690.
Lewis Eliza. Wolverhampton. 6b. 690.
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Jimmy wrote:2 possibles.
Marriages Sep 1868.
Birch William. Birmingham. 6d. 191.
Burton Eliza. Birmingham. 6d. 191.
Holland Susannah. Birmingham. 6d. 191.
Simcon Enoch. Birmingham. 6d. 191.

Marriages Sep 1870.
BIRCH William. Wolverhampton. 6b. 690.
BOOTH John. Wolverhampton. 6b. 690.
Grosvenor Jane. Wolverhampton. 6b 690.
Lewis Eliza. Wolverhampton. 6b. 690.

Thank you. I will try the second one first. I like your Avatar.
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Jimmy wrote:2 possibles.
Marriages Sep 1868.
Birch William. Birmingham. 6d. 191.
Burton Eliza. Birmingham. 6d. 191.
Holland Susannah. Birmingham. 6d. 191.
Simcon Enoch. Birmingham. 6d. 191.


Looks like the Birmingham marriage, Eliza Burton, but did he marry again to an Hannah. Or could Hannah be Eliza, ages match.

1881.
William BIRCH. Head. 54. Oldbury. Publican Employing 6 Men. age is out.
Hannah BIRCH. Wife. 40. Stourbridge.
Ellen BIRCH. Daur. 15. Oldbury.
Isaec BURTON. Stepson. 14. Oldbury.

Park St (Royal Oak)
Oldbury, Worcester,

1891. Royal Oak, 6 Park St, Oldbury.
William Birch 56. Farmer and Publican. Oldbury.
Hannah Birch 49. Stourbridge.
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IGI Individual Record.
Isaac Burton.
Christening, 24 JUL 1866. Oldbury, Worcester.
Parents:
Isaac Burton.
Eliza

Source Information, Batch No.: I010853.

West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1866.
BURTON Isaac WHITE Eliza, West Bromwich, All Saints. Sandwell Register Office. 22/11/160.
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peterd wrote:poss mar

Marriages Sep 1860

Birch William W Bromwich 6b 746
Kirkham Enoch W Bromwich 6b 746
Naish Catherine W. Bromwich 6b 746
Nash Catherine W. Bromwich 6b 746
Needham Eliza W Bromwich 6b 746
Needom Eliza W Bromwich 6b 746


1851. West Bomwich.
Edward Nash 50. Black smith. Hallow, Worcestershire.
May Nash 44. Birmingham, Warwickshire.
William Nash 22. Son.
Eliza Nash 19. Dau.
Matilda Nash 17. Dau.
Sarah Nash 16. Dau.
Catherine Nash 12. Dau.
Ann Nash 10. Dau.
Rebecca Nash 8. Dau.
John Nash 6. Son.
Susan Nash 1. Dau.
James Butler 42. Servant.

Others born West Bromwich.
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Jimmy wrote:IGI Individual Record.
Isaac Burton.
Christening, 24 JUL 1866. Oldbury, Worcester.
Parents:
Isaac Burton.
Eliza

Source Information, Batch No.: I010853.

West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1866.
BURTON Isaac WHITE Eliza, West Bromwich, All Saints. Sandwell Register Office. 22/11/160.

Isaac Burton dies Dec qtr 1866 aged 26.
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Jimmy wrote:West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1866.
BURTON Isaac WHITE Eliza, West Bromwich, All Saints. Sandwell Register Office. 22/11/160.



Marriages Mar 1866.
Burton Isaac. W. Bromwich. 6b. 776.
Grainger Samuel. W. Bromwich. 6b. 776.
Jones Mary. W. Bromwich. 6b. 776.
WHITE Eliza . W. Bromwich. 6b. 776.
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Son Isaac,
Births Sep 1866.
Burton Isaac. W. Bromwich. 6b. 622.
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Jimmy wrote:Son Isaac,
Births Sep 1866.
Burton Isaac. W. Bromwich. 6b. 622.

I cannot see a death for Eliza Birch that matches. She was born ? 1838.
?? Unusual to change a name from Eliza to Hannah ??
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Jimmy wrote:
Jimmy wrote:2 possibles.
Marriages Sep 1868.
Birch William. Birmingham. 6d. 191.
Burton Eliza. Birmingham. 6d. 191.
Holland Susannah. Birmingham. 6d. 191.
Simcon Enoch. Birmingham. 6d. 191.


Looks like the Birmingham marriage, Eliza Burton, but did he marry again to an Hannah. Or could Hannah be Eliza, ages match.

1881.
William BIRCH. Head. 54. Oldbury. Publican Employing 6 Men. age is out.
Hannah BIRCH. Wife. 40. Stourbridge.
Ellen BIRCH. Daur. 15. Oldbury.
Isaec BURTON. Stepson. 14. Oldbury.
Ellen doesnt appear on the 1871 census ? Catherine or Hannah(Eliza?)'s child.
Park St (Royal Oak)
Oldbury, Worcester,

1891. Royal Oak, 6 Park St, Oldbury.
William Birch 56. Farmer and Publican. Oldbury.
Hannah Birch 49. Stourbridge.
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