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Re: Isaac Randle - FAO NL
Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 8:14 pm
by peterd
FarSide wrote:may already have this
1861
Gaunts yard, Halesowen
Charles Withers 28 - Sawyer
John Withers 64 - Labourer formerly journeyman
Ann Withers 62
Sarah Jan Hodgkins 6 - cousin?
James Griffin 14 - Sert? - Carter
all b Halesowen
can you find 1851 and 1841 fs please
Re: Isaac Randle -
Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 8:56 pm
by Maths girl
1851 Gaunts Fold, High Street, Halesowen
WITHERS, John Head Married M 54 1797 Sawyer Rowley Staffordshire
WITHERS, Ann Wife Married F 54 1797 Hales Owen Worcestershire
WITHERS, Charles Son Unmarried M 18 1833 Sawyer Lye Worcestershire
WITHERS, Marianne Daughter F 14 1837 Nailer Lye Worcestershire
1841 Gaunt's Fold, Halesowen
WITHERS, John M 40 1801 Shropshire Sawyer
WITHERS, Ann F 40 1801 Shropshire
WITHERS, Richard M 15 1826 Shropshire
WITHERS, Edward M 10 1831 Shropshire
WITHERS, Charles M 8 1833 Shropshire
WITHERS, Mary Ann F 5 1836 Shropshire
Re: Isaac Randle
Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 9:27 pm
by peterd
grangers14 wrote:This is odd? Is it the same person but added twice??
1881 Census
Spring Hill, Hasbury
Elizabeth, Randle, head, W, 59
Benjamin, son, 34, Labourer in iron Works
Eliza, daur, 23, Naile maker
George, son, 18, Nail Maker, Deaf and Dumb
Martha Withers, Visitor, 17, Dress Maker
All born Halesowen
And,
1841 Gaunt's Fold, Halesowen
WITHERS, John M 40 1801 Shropshire Sawyer
WITHERS, Ann F 40 1801 Shropshire
WITHERS, Richard M 15 1826 Shropshire
WITHERS, Edward M 10 1831 Shropshire
WITHERS, Charles M 8 1833 Shropshire
WITHERS, Mary Ann F 5 1836 Shropshire
1851 Gaunts Fold, High Street, Halesowen
WITHERS, John Head Married M 54 1797 Sawyer Rowley Staffordshire
WITHERS, Ann Wife Married F 54 1797 Hales Owen Worcestershire
WITHERS, Charles Son Unmarried M 18 1833 Sawyer Lye Worcestershire
WITHERS, Marianne Daughter F 14 1837 Nailer Lye Worcestershire
1861 Gaunts yard, Halesowen
Charles Withers 28 - Sawyer
John Withers 64 - Labourer formerly journeyman
Ann Withers 62
Sarah Jan Hodgkins 6 - cousin?
James Griffin 14 - Sert? - Carter
all b Halesowen
1871 High Street, Gaunts Yard, Halesowen
Charles Withers 38 - Sawyer
Eliza Withers 38
Martha Withers 7
Bertha Withers 6
Ann Withers 5
Harriet Withers 2
Elizabeth Withers 1
John Withers 74 - Father - Widow
all b Halesowen
1881 New Street, British Arms, Hasbury
Eliza Withers, Head, W, 48, Publican
Bertha, daur, 16, Nail maker
Annie, daur, 14, Apprentice Dress maker
Harriett, daur, 12,
Elizabeth, daur, 10,
Charles, son, 8,
Alice, daur, 4,
Elizabeth Randle, Sister in Law, W, 59
All born Halesowen
right if martha withers and elizabeth randle are the same people in the census ?
is elizabeth randle (nee withers ) eliza sister in law (wife of charles) as stated on the 1881 census
if so then can anyone find a christenng for elizabeth withers parents john and ann c 1820/21
can any one find elizabeth in 1841 census please
if this is them are they down as married as they didnt get married till 31/5/1841 ?
1841 Census
Sprin Hill, Halesowen
John Baker, 25, Nailor
Elizabeth, 25, Not born in County
Mary, 2,
/Isaac Randle, 20, Butcher, Not born in County
Elizabeth, 20,All others born in County
Re: Isaac Randle -
Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 9:38 pm
by grangers14
That Elizabeth Withers who married Isaac Randle has been disconnected from John Withers. We dont know that that family are hers.
So we need any possible census for John Withers and Elizabeth Bache?
Re: Isaac Randle -
Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 9:47 pm
by grangers14
if this is them are they down as married as they didnt get married till 31/5/1841 ?
1841 Census
Sprin Hill, Halesowen
John Baker, 25, Nailor
Elizabeth, 25, Not born in County
Mary, 2,
/Isaac Randle, 20, Butcher, Not born in County
Elizabeth, 20,
All others born in County
The 1841 census doesnt show relationships and also the census was taken on
6th June 1841Jo
Re: Isaac Randle -
Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 10:20 pm
by grangers14
if so then can anyone find a christenng for elizabeth withers parents john and ann c 1820/21
I cant see one with a mother Ann in the right area just the ones with Mother as Elizabeth thats on the IGI
Jo
Re: Isaac Randle -
Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 10:52 pm
by Northern Lass
I am so lost on this
so is Charles with the wrong parents?
what is wrong with that lot now?
Re: Isaac Randle -
Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 10:56 pm
by FarSide
Halesowen
25 Nov 1821
Elizabeth, do of John & Elizabeth Withers, Dudley, Sawyer
Re: Isaac Randle -
Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 11:18 pm
by FarSide
Any help
Halesowen
25 Aug 1824 Richard, so of John & Ann Withers, Dudley Wood, Sawyer
5 Apr 1825 Henry, so of John & Ann Withers, Dudley Wood, Sawyer
29 Apr 1824 Edward, so of John & Ann Withers, Dudley Wood, Sawyer
2 Jan 1831 William, so of John & Ann Withers, The Borough, Sawyer
28 Jul 1833 Charles, so of John & Ann Withers, Lye, Sawyer
Re: Isaac Randle -
Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 12:11 am
by peterd
FarSide wrote:Any help
Halesowen
25 Aug 1824 Richard, so of John & Ann Withers, Dudley Wood, Sawyer
5 Apr 1825 Henry, so of John & Ann Withers, Dudley Wood, Sawyer
29 Apr 1824 Edward, so of John & Ann Withers, Dudley Wood, Sawyer
2 Jan 1831 William, so of John & Ann Withers, The Borough, Sawyer
28 Jul 1833 Charles, so of John & Ann Withers, Lye, Sawyer
1871 High Street, Gaunts Yard, Halesowen
Charles Withers 38 - Sawyer
Eliza Withers 38
Martha Withers 7
Bertha Withers 6
Ann Withers 5
Harriet Withers 2
Elizabeth Withers 1
John Withers 74 - Father - Widow
all b Halesowen
1881 New Street, British Arms, Hasbury
Eliza Withers, Head, W, 48, Publican
Bertha, daur, 16, Nail maker
Annie, daur, 14, Apprentice Dress maker
Harriett, daur, 12,
Elizabeth, daur, 10,
Charles, son, 8,
Alice, daur, 4,
Elizabeth Randle, Sister in Law, W, 59
All born Halesowen
this is the right family
Re: Isaac Randle -
Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 12:17 am
by peterd
poss marriage
CHARLES WITHERS
ELIZA TILSLEY
Marriage: 17 MAY 1863 Saint Phillips, Birmingham, Warwick
Re: Isaac Randle -
Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 12:18 am
by peterd
Re: Isaac Randle -
Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 12:34 am
by peterd
right think ive solved it and we were right the first time and the 1881 census is wrong she is not eliza sister in law but charles eliza husband, Aunty
here elizabeth born c1821 parents john and elizabeth (nee Bach) and her brother john who married Ann Moore the are the parents of charles who married eliza ( nee tinsley) who in 1881 census elizabeth is visiting
1881 New Street, British Arms, Hasbury
Eliza Withers, Head, W, 48, Publican
Bertha, daur, 16, Nail maker
Annie, daur, 14, Apprentice Dress maker
Harriett, daur, 12,
Elizabeth, daur, 10,
Charles, son, 8,
Alice, daur, 4,
Elizabeth Randle, Sister in Law, W, 59 Should be Aunt to eliza dead husbandAll born Halesowen
so john and elizabeth
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =467033182and charles and eliza tinsley
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =675955562will reconnect isaac randle to elizabeth
http://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/tr ... =312160617
Re: Isaac Randle -
Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 12:36 am
by Northern Lass
Ok so if Charles is the son of John and Ann and Eliza is sis in law of Elizabeth RAndle
then Charles and Elizabeth should be sibs
but they arent
Elizabeth dau of John and Elizabeth is the aunt of Charles who married Eliza
so do we connect up Elizabeth to JOhn and Elizabeth Bache again
Re: Isaac Randle -
Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 12:38 am
by Northern Lass
Go on then PD connect us up again
my head is spinning
good to debate it though
we need to add any bapts on this
who is going to offer that with the info esp on Elizabeth father Sawyer on bapt